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If only I could turn education and reason into a conspiracy.
ffreeloader said:
I wasn't even going to acknowledge this, but changed my mind. I say it's too bad that the educational system in this country so greatly limits it's graduates ability to think independently and critically. Did you know there are studies out that show that college graduates show a either a decline in the ability to think critically over what they had when they entered college or no increase in that ability? The educational system is a total failure for it's main purpose ought to be to teach people to think. And since you're such a smart guy I won't provide the links to the studies. You ought to be able to find them on your own.

You demonstrate your lack of critical thinking ability quite clearly. I'll show how with a few questions. Are all politicians honest? Are there corrupt politicians? Do they ever lie to the public? What is the underlying main mission of an intelligence agency? Is it not to understand deciet practiced by others and how to use the ability to decieve for it's own purposes? What do the answers to these questions tell you? Is it a good idea to trust someone that you know has lied to you on multiple occassions?

Anyone who thinks that an agency whose main mission is to deal in deceit is going to be honest about all of it's own practices when talking about them to the general public is not thinking. Period. Anyone who thinks that politicians will not cooperate in that deciet is also not thinking. Period. There is no conspiracy to this. It is fact derived from the behavior and the mission of the CIA and the politicians who are supposed to supervise it.

Did you know the cia spied on US senators who were charged with overseeing it? That agency has a long history of lying to oversight committees and to the general public. And to think they lied about other stuff is somehow loony? It's loony to assume they tell the truth. William Casey, head of the cia during the 1980s said the following" “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” And to disbelieve the cia is a conspiracy theory? To disbelieve the mainstream media who cooperate with the cia is a conspiracy theory? It's a fact based upon past and present behavior of the cia and the mockingbird media. I call the media that because the cia ran an operation called Mockingbird which specialized in maniputlating what the media tells us, the citizens. And don't tell me George Bush Sr. stopped it. If you carefully parse his statement he said the cia would stop paying journalists. He didn't say they were putting an end to the program, and as he was closely allied with the cia, and had worked for it, you can be sure he is a very skillful liar. He can so present things as to make most people assume what he didn't actually say.

As to MK Ultra, here is a link to Wikipedia. You leftists love it so this ought to be at least a good intro.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Here's another link that ought to be at least somewhat authoritative to you as it comes from a leftist leaning site.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/21/roseanne-barr-mk-ultra-rules-in-hollywood/

Here's another link to MKUltra and other mind control programs by the CIA.

https://www.wanttoknow.info/050626mkultra

This ought to be enough to get you started if you're not so indoctrinated that you cannot see outside of what your college professors and the mockingbird media tell you.
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Paul is not God.
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Your observation is very astute. Paul is not God
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George Affleck said:
Foolishness for one thing.
You are a fool.

You don't even realize that your belief system depends on believers.
We are your bread and butter my friend.
Without us, you'd be out of a job.

Atheism depends on theism. Without it, you don't have anything to talk about.
You wouldn't be able to go into your rants and tirades.
You should be nicer to us really.

Imagine a world without believers!
You'd be telling a friend how awful believing in God is and they would be like...

"But Stuu. They are all gone. They don't exist anymore. We can't be atheists because there is nothing to be "a" about."

And you would be like...
"Oh ya, but let me tell you how bad they were."

And they would be like...

Well, you get the picture.
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John W. responding to the argument that only originals are inspired.

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Show us "Originals-only-ism," from the book-where does it say that these "originals" are God Breathed? Were the second set of 10 commandments, "God breathed?" Moses trashed "the originals."
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Thread was closed, so I cannot directly link the post.
But it is post #21 in this thread: http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?129214-God-is-not-a-Man


Apple7 said:
Most people miss it entirely, but the 'Arm of God' is The Second Person of the Trinity, in the OT.

Jesus even declares this of Himself in the NT(John 12.36 -38).

Additionally, 'The Hand of God', is The Third Person of The Trinity.

The Egypt/Red Sea exodus is actually a massive study that I have hitting on and off lately, and, undeniably, is performed via The Triune God.

To address your initial query regarding Yahweh being a MAN in the OT, it is entirely literal, and NOT a metaphor.

Let’s let context inform the reader that this is hardly a ‘metaphor’…

Then Moses and the sons of Israel sang this song to Yahweh, and spoke, saying, I will sing to Yahweh, for He is highly exalted. He has thrown the horse and his rider into the sea. My strength and song is Yahweh, and it happened, He was to me salvation; this is my God and I will glorify Him; the God of my father, and I will exalt Him. Yahweh is a Man of war; Yahweh is His name. He has cast Pharaoh's chariots and his army in the sea; and the choice ones of his officers are drowned in the Sea of Reeds, the depths cover them; they have dropped into the depths like a stone. (Exo 15.1 – 5)

This is the Song of Moses and it summarizes the events which occurred at the parting of the sea.

Exo 14.19 declares that it was Malek haelohim (literally Messenger of ‘all the Gods’) who led the camp of Israel across the sea. As we already comprehend, this is just another term for Malek Yahweh – which refers to Jesus.

So…Jesus is being referred to yet again as a MAN.

Further proving the point, this time in the NT, is Revelation, as thus…

And I saw, as a glassy sea having been mixed with fire. And the ones overcoming the beast, and its image, and its mark, of the number of its name, were standing on the glassy sea, having harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the slave of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty, righteous and true are Your ways, King of the saints. Who will not fear You, Lord, and glorify Your name? For You only are holy. For all the nations will come and will worship before You, because Your righteousnesses were made known. (Rev 15.2 – 4)


Here we have The Song of Moses – which refers to Yahweh as a MAN in the OT – combined with The Song of The Lamb – which refers to Yahweh as a MAN in the NT!!!

Simple, Biblical truth.

Further proving beyond any shadow of a doubt that The Triune God of the Holy Bible led His people out of Egypt and across the Red Sea, I have complied (albeit, not exhaustive yet) a list of names and titles scripture uses to describe the Three Persons of the Godhead, as thus...

Who delivered the people out of Egypt? (OT/NT):

• Yahweh Elohim (Exo 6.7, 20.2)
• Yahweh (Exo 3.4, 6.6, 13, 26, 7.5, 12.42, 51, 13.8, 9, 14, 16, ; Deut 1.27, 4.20, 5.6, 15, 6.12, 8.14, 9.7, Judges 2.12, 6.8, 13, 10.11; Joshua 24.6, 17; 1 Sam 8.8, 10.18, 12.6-8; 2 Sam 7.5 – 6; 1 Kings 8.9 – 16, 21, 9.9; 2 Kings 17.7, 36; Jer 2.6, 7.22, 11.4- 7, 16.14, 23.7, 31.31-32, 34.13, Psalm 81.10, 2 Chron 6.5, 7.22, Amos 2.10, 3.1, 9.7; Zech 10.10, Micah 6.4)
• Arm of Yahweh SON (Exo 6.6, 15.16, Deut 5.15, 2 Kings 17.37, Jer 32.21, Acts 13.17)
• Haelohim (all the Gods) (Exo 3.1; 1 Chron 17.21)
• Power of Yahweh SPIRIT (Deut 4.37, 2 Kings 17.37)
• Presence (Deut 4.37)
• My Hand SPIRIT (Exo 7.4-5, 13.3,9, 14, 16, Deut 5.15, 6.21, 9.26, Eze 20.6, Jer 32.21, Dan 9.15, Acts 7.35)
• Adonay Yahweh (1 Kings 8.53)
• Adoney Elohim (Dan 9.15)
• God (Acts 7.35)
• Lord (Heb 8.9)
• Debar Yahweh, The Word of God SON (Deut 5.5 – 6)
• The Word (Haggai 2.5)
• Spirit (Haggai 2.5)
• Malek Yahweh SON (Exo 3.4, Judges 2.1, Acts 7.35)
• Jesus SON (Jude 1.5)
• I AM (Exo 3.14)
• Elohe (Exo 3.6)
• Father (Deut 32.6)


Its a real killer of a subject matter for those that deny The Trinity... :)
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Stripe starting out the day early with an excellent call-out of Jose Fly...

Where's that mic-drop emote when you need it?

Stripe said:
Let's keep in mind that you asked me to list evidence:


In that, specifically regarding:

1. The geologic column being an invention of "Darwinists."

Which is obviously a boring and pointless thing to argue about. No wonder you included it.

2. Science confirming that Neandertals are human.

I said DNA, which has been discussed at length already. Were you just asking for evidence again in an attempt to deny the existence of what you'd been shown, or are you going senile?

More on the evidence side:

The orthodontist who X-rayed Neanderthal skulls and showed that they were late-developing, long-lived people.

3. The amount of energy required to move continental plates at 55mph.

This is obviously a strange thing to request evidence for, but if we assume you meant to ask for evidence that plates moved at such speeds, mountain ranges is an obvious answer.

4. How it's possible to tell from DNA that two organisms are of the same type.

I said "chromosomes." Then the Darwinists thought it would be a good idea to pretend they'd asked for proof and to respond in kind. Do you really think I would fall for such a transparent ploy?

So, no. Those four concise responses are not an example of me discussing evidence. This is just you making sure a sensible discussion never gets off the ground.

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