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Clete

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In addition to life evolving the chance of life arising from chemistry and physics is also 100%—-here we are
The argument that has been presented proves that it isn't 100%, it's zero! It cannot have happened. It did not happen!

Given then that we are here and that life cannot have happened by accident, the conclusion then is that life was created. Here we are!
 
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JudgeRightly

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You are using a computer program to assemble a particular RNA molecule by random chance. Ignoring any of the physics and chemistry that put such a molecule together. The analogy to an expensive watch coming together by virtue of chance and gravity is not applicable.

I suppose you reject the claim "Scientists have created life in a lab" too, right? Because it goes against the "virtue" of the physics and chemistry of how such "life" (if it can even be called that) could come into existence?

Or is that a special case where you ignore the fact that such "life" could not survive in the environment that it was "created" in?

The point of the program @Bob Enyart came up with, and which Clete has now iterated upon, is that even if you were to grant that such "life-creating circumstances" were possible, the chances of life arising from such circumstances are so low as to be VIRTUALLY ZERO! Well within rounding error of zero.

It is hard, strong evidence against life cominig about by "random chance."

In addition, I suspect from hanging around here for a bit, you are a Biblical literalist and do not accept the age of the earth in billions of years.

Reminder that this is a mainline Christian board. Of course most of the members here reject "billions of years."

I am not a Biblical literalist and have no issue with an earth billions of years old.

All well and good.... until you look at the evidence, like what is demonstrated by Clete's program.

I believe the chance of life evolving was 100%--'cause here we are.

That's called "begging the question."

It's a fallacy for a reason.

It would be like saying, "I believe the chance the computer I'm typing on came about by random chance is 100%--'cause here I am typing on it!"
 

Avajs

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That is not what I'm doing at all. I'm using a computer to perform billions of random actions in an attempt to assemble a particular sequence of 26 letters by random chance. A feat far and away simpler than assembling an RNA molecule by random chance which you believe happened!

Are you really having this much difficulty understanding the point here?


Saying it doesn't make it so.

And it wouldn't have to be an expensive watch. Even the simplest watch you can find will do. It doesn't even have to be accurate. Just collect the half a dozen or so parts you need to make a machine that works more or less like a clock, put the piece in close proximity and cause them to interact in an random manner. You will NEVER get the watch to assemble itself. It CANNOT happen - period. Mindless design is a contradiction.

Indeed, the only way in which the analogy doesn't work is that it grants too much ground to the atheist by handing them, free of charge, well designed and machines watch parts, not a single one of which could never exist without a thinking mind to design and make it.

Cogito, ergo I AM.


That is both an accurate assumption and completely irrelevant to the point. Any such random assembly of anything similar to RNA would take billions of times longer than even the most atheistic cosmologist believes the universe to be.


No kidding!


This computer program demonstrates the impossibility of your foolishness beliefs.

You happen to have found yourself on a website where people debate things. I am not the least bit interested in your simply stating your personal opinions. I AM very much interested in any arguments you might like to present that support those opinions.

Don't be boring!

Make an argument!
nope, you don’t debate.
 
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