Europe Is Burning

[drbrumley]

Europe Is Burning
Nigel Farage says the immigrant flood is threatening our civilization.
By Tyler Durden

Zero Hedge

“We are heading towards disaster” exclaims UKIP’s Nigel Farage in this brief clip. Having warned for months about both the consequences of actions and the EU’s disastrous policies, the flood of immigrants, Farage warns “we face a direct threat to our civilization if we allow large numbers of people from that war-torn region into Europe.”Simply put, he fears within EU policy “there is no way to filter out extremists in favor of people fleeing in genuine fear of their lives,” and suggest following the Australian policy.

EUROPE IS BURNING Nigel Farage part 2

 

[rocketman]

Europe brought this situation on themselves through inaction, I would say they are getting what they deserve.

 

[aikido7]

Europe Is Burning
Nigel Farage says the immigrant flood is threatening our civilization.
By Tyler Durden

Zero Hedge

“We are heading towards disaster” exclaims UKIP’s Nigel Farage in this brief clip. Having warned for months about both the consequences of actions and the EU’s disastrous policies, the flood of immigrants, Farage warns “we face a direct threat to our civilization if we allow large numbers of people from that war-torn region into Europe.”Simply put, he fears within EU policy “there is no way to filter out extremists in favor of people fleeing in genuine fear of their lives,” and suggest following the Australian policy.

EUROPE IS BURNING Nigel Farage part 2

Strife and conflict are easily made into metaphors of out-of-control flames. Conflict and disagreement are part of life and history is full of such incidents.

We need to revamp our public schools so that objective history is taught instead of using patriotic boasts and dangerous mythologies that hold humankind back.

Another thing--I don't know how many high schools today offer Greek literature but the past is filled to the brim with fears and complaints about the up-coming generation. People always view the past with nostalgia and sentimentality.

It's the "Good Old Days" Syndrome.

 

[glorydaz]

Europe brought this situation on themselves through inaction, I would say they are getting what they deserve.

Look out, Rocketman. We're doing the same thing here, thanks to the libs and their picks for President.

 

[annabenedetti]

Europe Is Burning
Nigel Farage says the immigrant flood is threatening our civilization.
By Tyler Durden

Zero Hedge

“We are heading towards disaster” exclaims UKIP’s Nigel Farage in this brief clip. Having warned for months about both the consequences of actions and the EU’s disastrous policies, the flood of immigrants, Farage warns “we face a direct threat to our civilization if we allow large numbers of people from that war-torn region into Europe.”Simply put, he fears within EU policy “there is no way to filter out extremists in favor of people fleeing in genuine fear of their lives,” and suggest following the Australian policy.

I came across an old article recently, and I wanted to do some research on it and I haven't had the time. It's from 2007, and it begins like this:

DAMASCUS, Syria -- It's the biggest outpouring of refugees in the Middle East in more than 50 years. Not since the creation of Israel in 1948, when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were uprooted, has the region seen such a flood of human beings.

Some 2.6 million Iraqis have fled their homeland since the start of the war in 2003. The overwhelming majority -- 1.5 million -- are in Syria. And most of them are in Damascus, where a group of us from Seattle went last month.

[. . .]

Most Iraqi refugees interviewed in Syria by Amnesty International for a June 2007 survey were victims of human rights abuses. They told Amnesty their choice was simple: leave Iraq or die.

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It was the second article I'd seen in the last few weeks about the movement of refugees in the Arab world and Europe that placed the current migration in some sort of time frame. The other article was about how Calais, France, has been struggling with the flow of refugees for years, with very little international publicity directed their way until recently. I wonder how much of it all is a result of the disruption of the Middle East brought about by the Gulf Wars.

 

[Ktoyou]

Europe brought this situation on themselves through inaction, I would say they are getting what they deserve.

The main problem is western Europe and the European decent persons in the USA, is the refusal to have more children. They rather have more money, consume more goods, and not have to live the way most persons have in the past, struggling to get by with less income.

During the 'baby boomer' era, two parents were having I believe, an average of three children, today, however, the average family has one or tow children. Less people for the future workforce.

 

[exminister]

Strife and conflict are easily made into metaphors of out-of-control flames. Conflict and disagreement are part of life and history is full of such incidents.

We need to revamp our public schools so that objective history is taught instead of using patriotic boasts and dangerous mythologies that hold humankind back.

Another thing--I don't know how many high schools today offer Greek literature but the past is filled to the brim with fears and complaints about the up-coming generation. People always view the past with nostalgia and sentimentality.

It's the "Good Old Days" Syndrome.

Nostalgia is so tempting because of poor memories, we survived it and fear of the future.

In college I took Church History and after class we all still sitting in our seats looking at each other and remarked how sad it was. It is very hard to see a Guiding Hand. But as I see it humans are very prone to see the worst in everything until it's in the "personal memory" past.

 

[Granite]

Maybe if the west stopped meddling in the Middle East and giving these people reason to run, they'd stop running.

 

[bybee]

Maybe if the west stopped meddling in the Middle East and giving these people reason to run, they'd stop running.

How very simplistic.

 

[Granite]

How very simplistic.

Are you going to even bother attempting to engage me in a real discussion anymore?

 

[This Charming Manc]

Well seeing as the main reason for current exodus are the Assad reaction to Arab spring and formation of IS which are both middle eastern issues, which were independent of the west not really.

The only pull factor is that Germany wants 500,000 immigrants this year due to its declining population.

Maybe if the west stopped meddling in the Middle East and giving these people reason to run, they'd stop running.

 

[Granite]

Well seeing as the main reason for current exodus are the Assad reaction to Arab spring and formation of IS which are both middle eastern issues, which were independent of the west not really.

The only pull factor is that Germany wants 500,000 immigrants this year due to its declining population.

ISIS exists because of the west. Our bad.

 

[This Charming Manc]

Nigel Farage talks an endless stream of twaddle...

Not a man who 90% of europeans believe has any grip on reality let alone this situation.

Europe Is Burning
Nigel Farage says the immigrant flood is threatening our civilization.

 

[This Charming Manc]

Not really ISIS is a Sunni Jihadi organisation, they existed well before the west got involved.

Did we help Creatre a climate which allowed them to prosper, maybe..

but they are not our creation

ISIS exists because of the west. Our bad.

 

[PureX]

We need to revamp our public schools so that objective history is taught instead of using patriotic boasts and dangerous mythologies that hold humankind back.

The oligarchs are running the show in this country. They have been for most of the history of the nation. And they control what goes in and what does not go into our children's textbooks. You'll notice that there is no mention in these books of the bloody struggle that was fought in the streets of this nation to establish labor unions, and to end the wholesale exploitation of men, women, and even children in the industrial mills of the early 20th century. And there is no mention of the many times the United States government sent troops into foreign lands to act as corporate enforcers for the rubber, coffee, oil, and lumber barons. And how these abuses of military power caused so much anti-American fervor around the world in subsequent years. And there's no mention of the long history of war-mongering in this country by politicians that were bought and paid for by munitions and military equipment manufactures because war is good for their profit margins, and because it'll always be someone else's children that'll do the fighting and dying.

Instead, all our children are being taught about history is how wonderful and selfless and upstanding America has been and rah, rah, rah, sis-kum-bah! To the point that we are now mostly a nation of ignoramuses who are living in a fantasyland America invented by Coca-Cola, criminal politicians, and commercial advertising, instead of the real world. And who'll fight you tooth and nail if you dare to try and explain reality to them.

 

[Granite]

Not really ISIS is a Sunni Jihadi organisation, they existed well before the west got involved.

Did we help Creatre a climate which allowed them to prosper, maybe..

but they are not our creation

Splitting hairs doesn't change much. ISIS wouldn't be a threat without American adventurism and imperialism, and Assad's regime wouldn't have been destabilized without western interference, either. We create these golems, then act shocked--shocked--when they turn on us.

 

[This Charming Manc]

we never acted on syria, if anythign our lack of action on Syria created the issue, and that was down to Russia and china.

We supported the arab spring in Libya but nowhere else, it was as said an Arab thing.

The west is to blame for many things, but not all. Muslims are very much capable of creating there own problems.

Splitting hairs doesn't change much. ISIS wouldn't be a threat without American adventurism and imperialism, and Assad's regime wouldn't have been destabilized without western interference, either. We create these golems, then act shocked--shocked--when they turn on us.

 

[Granite]

we never acted on syria, if anythign our lack of action on Syria created the issue, and that was down to Russia and china.

We supported the arab spring in Libya but nowhere else, it was as said an Arab thing.

The west is to blame for many things, but not all. Muslims are very much capable of creating there own problems.

They may be true but all too often we take a volatile or delicate situation and instantly make it worse. What "problems" did the locals cause in Iran before Britain and the U.S. got involved? The only "problem" I can think of is opposition to western meddling in their oil. You know what happened next. When we decided Saddam wasn't our pal anymore, we immediately made a bad situation incredibly worse. And on. And on. And. On.

 

[bybee]

we never acted on syria, if anythign our lack of action on Syria created the issue, and that was down to Russia and china.

We supported the arab spring in Libya but nowhere else, it was as said an Arab thing.

The west is to blame for many things, but not all. Muslims are very much capable of creating there own problems.

Agreed!
Blaming America for all of the world's ills has become the posture assumed by short-sighted folks for many years now.

 

[bybee]

Are you going to even bother attempting to engage me in a real discussion anymore?

You have become so buried in your biases that I find you unreachable.
This makes me sad.