El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’

[drbrumley]

That white supremacy ideology — “let’s repel the Hispanic invaders because the feds won’t do so” — resonates in the El Paso killer’s manifesto, which he published about 20 minutes before he began killing. That ideology is far more widespread than most Americans realize. The FBI recently demonstrated as much. This form of hatred of people because of their immutable characteristics breeds violence.

 

[drbrumley]

We know that some among us love to hate. That is their right, but they have no right to act violently beyond their perverse thoughts. And all people have the right to repel such violence by using guns to do so.

 

[drbrumley]

The president also offered his support for “red flag” laws. These horrific statutes permit police or courts to seize guns from those deemed dangerous. Red flag laws are unconstitutional. The presumption of innocence and the due process requirement of demonstrable fault as a precondition to any punishment or sanction together prohibit the loss of liberty on the basis of what might happen in the future.

 

[drbrumley]

In America, we do not punish a person or deprive anyone of liberty on the basis of a fear of what the person might do. When the Soviets used psychiatric testimony to predict criminal behavior, President Ronald Reagan condemned it. Now, the president wants it here.

 

[drbrumley]

The United States is not New Zealand, where a national legislature, animated by fear and provoked by tragedy, can impair fundamental liberties by majority vote. In America, neither Congress nor the states can outlaw whatever handguns or rifles they want to outlaw or infringe upon the right to own them.

 

[drbrumley]

The government can no more interfere with Second Amendment rights than it can infringe upon any other rights. If this were not so, then no liberty — speech, press, religion, association, self-defense, privacy, travel, property ownership — would be safe from the reach of a fearful majority.

That’s why we have a Constitution.

 

[annabenedetti]

That white supremacy ideology — “let’s repel the Hispanic invaders because the feds won’t do so” — resonates in the El Paso killer’s manifesto, which he published about 20 minutes before he began killing. That ideology is far more widespread than most Americans realize. The FBI recently demonstrated as much. This form of hatred of people because of their immutable characteristics breeds violence.

Napolitano's right.

 

[Lighthouse]

Didn't the shooter indicate in his manifesto that he didn't even like Trump?

 

[The Barbarian]

The president also offered his support for “red flag” laws. These horrific statutes permit police or courts to seize guns from those deemed dangerous. Red flag laws are unconstitutional. The presumption of innocence and the due process requirement of demonstrable fault as a precondition to any punishment or sanction together prohibit the loss of liberty on the basis of what might happen in the future.

That's the problem; if we could target people likely to take racist rhetoric and act on it, there might be some sense in "red flag" laws. But psychiatrists will tell you that it's impossible to do that with even a fair degree of accuracy.

How do you tell a shooter, like the El Paso racist, from the guys who yell "shoot them" at Trump rallies? The answer is, "you can't."

More concerning is the idea that if we shut down social media featuring people like that, it can help. It won't. Suppressing speech won't stop them. The problem is that a few demagogues like David Duke, Donald Trump, and Richard Spencer have convinced millions of people that hatred is self-preservation.

Some of them carry that to the logical conclusion. Suppressing every white nationalist won't work. The FBI should be putting more resources into finding the relatively few who are actively preparing for terrorist acts. The president should stop pandering to them, and when they act out at his rallies, should stop the event and call them out for it.

In America, we do not punish a person or deprive anyone of liberty on the basis of a fear of what the person might do. When the Soviets used psychiatric testimony to predict criminal behavior, President Ronald Reagan condemned it. Now, the president wants it here.

The Soviets had no illusions about predicting criminal behavior. It was merely an excuse to suppress dissent. And that's exactly how it will work here if we allow it to happen.

 

[George Affleck]

That white supremacy ideology — “let’s repel the Hispanic invaders because the feds won’t do so” — resonates in the El Paso killer’s manifesto, which he published about 20 minutes before he began killing. That ideology is far more widespread than most Americans realize. The FBI recently demonstrated as much. This form of hatred of people because of their immutable characteristics breeds violence.

You have bought in to the lie that says we can determine what the political affiliation was of a murderer by the evidence he leaves behind.

What is left out of all of these discussions is that these people don't pack a lunch. They prepare only for immediate violence with no plan for escape. They have reached the point where they know they are going to their death; there is no life after the event - only the moment matters. They have reached the point where they embrace their own death, often at their own hands.

All suicide victims are mentally unstable; but there are two groups. Notice that suicide victims with a moral compass take steps not to involve others. Notice that suicide victims without a moral compass involve as many others as possible.

Mass murderers grow to hate themselves and their own lives and will seize on any excuse to justify their actions to relieve them of their inner suffering. Religion, politics, racism, domestic problems, it doesn't matter. As long as they can convince themselves the blame is not their own, then they can convince themselves their suicide has a purpose.

Unless we recognize the similarities between these two types of suicide, no progress will be made in stemming the tide. Liberal ideology is actively scrubbing from society all remnants of Judeo-Christian ethics. The increase in instances of mass murder is directly proportional to the growing absence of objective morality.

C'mon Dems, help us put the Bible back in schools if you really care.

 

[JudgeRightly]

C'mon Dems, help us put the Bible back in schools if you really care.

Rather, we should get kids OUT of the Godless schools. Be homeschooled.

You can't put new wine into old wineskins, or they'll break.

Putting God's word back into a Godless system won't work.

 

[ok doser]

Where on earth would you find teachers who hadn't been irretrievably poisoned by the existing system?

 

[The Barbarian]

You have bought in to the lie that says we can determine what the political affiliation was of a murderer by the evidence he leaves behind.

Not hard to figure out when he blames environmental problems on Hispanics.

What is left out of all of these discussions is that these people don't pack a lunch. They prepare only for immediate violence with no plan for escape. They have reached the point where they know they are going to their death; there is no life after the event - only the moment matters. They have reached the point where they embrace their own death, often at their own hands.

In these cases, they intend to be martyrs for the cause.

All suicide victims are mentally unstable; but there are two groups. Notice that suicide victims with a moral compass take steps not to involve others. Notice that suicide victims without a moral compass involve as many others as possible.

That's the problem. These guys aren't crazy. They're political fanatics. And they're mean; hating anyone who isn't like them.

Mass murderers grow to hate themselves and their own lives and will seize on any excuse to justify their actions to relieve them of their inner suffering. Religion, politics, racism, domestic problems, it doesn't matter.

It mattered a lot to these guys. One of them traveled hundreds of miles to take out "Mexicans" in El Paso.

Unless we recognize the similarities between these two types of suicide, no progress will be made in stemming the tide. Liberal ideology is actively scrubbing from society all remnants of Judeo-Christian ethics.

I was raised with the idea that killing people was a bad thing to do, and that God tells us that our neighbors are not just those who look like us or believe the way we do. Scripture backs that up. So I'm figuring you have that wrong.

The increase in instances of mass murder is directly proportional to the growing absence of objective morality.

When evangelicals praise a serial adulterer who is a compulsive liar and who boasts about getting away with sexual assault, yes, there's something profoundly wrong with our society. And it's no coincidence that these massacres are happening now. They think their time has come.

C'mon Dems, help us put the Bible back in schools if you really care.

It never left. My daughter and her friends never got any harassment for bringing a Bible to school. They prayed publicly (in ways that didn't interfere with class room order) and they met as a club. Incidentally, the ACLU, which is largely supported by democrats, has repeatedly intervened to force schools to allow students to do this, or to wear religious articles to school.

What has been outlawed (and quite properly) is a public school to impose religion on students. They are free to exercise their rights as individuals and groups so long as the school doesn't try to impose religion on anyone.

I think that's what really has some people riled up.

 

[George Affleck]

Rather, we should get kids OUT of the Godless schools. Be homeschooled.

You can't put new wine into old wineskins, or they'll break.

Putting God's word back into a Godless system won't work.

Agree/disagree.

Here's the disagreement part:
It is not me who first thought of putting God's Word into a Godless system.
God himself did it.

According to you Ninevah can never happen.

 

[George Affleck]

Not hard to figure out when ...

Typical leftist deflection.

Your denial of responsibility is part of the problem.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Agree/disagree.

Here's the disagreement part:
It is not me who first thought of putting God's Word into a Godless system.
God himself did it.

According to you Nineveh* can never happen.

*(It's Nineveh, btw )

To stick to the analogy, Nineveh was a new wineskin, never before used.

But the Godless schools in our nation today used to have God in them, He's just been pushed out. They are old wineskins. Putting God's word back into them would break them, and you'd lose the wine.

Patching the schools with new cloth would only tear the fabric they're made of, to use the other analogy Jesus used.

What God did with Nineveh was to give new clothes to them, not patch up their old ones.

 

[The Barbarian]

*(It's Nineveh, btw )

To stick to the analogy, Nineveh was a new wineskin, never before used.

But the Godless schools in our nation today used to have God in them, He's just been pushed out.

Worship of Caesar has been pushed out. But God remains. ACLU has always defended the rights of public school students to pray, carry a Bible (or other religious text) and to publicly worship on school property.

The only restriction is that government can't get involved; our religious freedoms keep public school officials from promoting or restricting worship. The only limit is that such worship cannot disrupt instruction.

So my daughter and her friends could have public prayer in front of the flagpole each day, meet during school hours for Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and so on.

But that's not what establishmentarians want. They want to force others to worship as they dictate. And that's not going to happen. Yes, the law was scoffed at in many places and many times in our history. That's over now. Religious freedom, including the right to pray, carry a Bible, and to wear religious symbols is firmly enforced now.

God never left school; Caesar-worship got kicked out. And his minions have been furious every since.

 

[George Affleck]

*(It's Nineveh, btw )

To stick to the analogy, Nineveh was a new wineskin, never before used.

But the Godless schools in our nation today used to have God in them, He's just been pushed out. They are old wineskins. Putting God's word back into them would break them, and you'd lose the wine.

Patching the schools with new cloth would only tear the fabric they're made of, to use the other analogy Jesus used.

What God did with Nineveh was to give new clothes to them, not patch up their old ones.

How is it possible for reasonably smart people to run so far off the rails? For someone who can obviously handle day-to-day tasks, you consistently make the list for lack of wisdom.

You have, once again, labeled omnipotent God, and His Word, impotent in areas that you have unilaterally decided He can't work in. This is the same kind of misunderstanding as thinking that the Jews rejected Christ so the Kingdom was postponed.
Please stop saying God can be pushed out of anywhere. It is impossible.
He can decide to leave people to their own machinations, but it is never at the expense of losing control of any situation. He rules in the darkest corners of the cosmos.

This is not a universe where two opposing ideas clash in a battle of Titans. Satan lost whatever war he thought existed in the garden when God promised Christ would crush him at the cross. Hatred/evil does not exist as a force; it is the absence of the perfect love of God. Darkness is the absence of light, silence is the absence of sound, cold is the absence of heat, evil is the absence of love.

Further, schools cannot "have God in them". Only individual people can make that claim. Can you not see that my call "C'mon Dems, help us put the Bible back in schools if you really care." is a call to individual liberals to abandon an ideology that doesn't work?

 

[annabenedetti]

'No Blame?' ABC News finds 36 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults.

The 36 cases identified by ABC News are remarkable in that a link to the president is captured in court documents and police statements, under the penalty of perjury or contempt.

In many cases of assault or threat, charges are never filed, perpetrators are never identified or the incident is never even reported to authorities. And most criminal acts committed by Trump supporters or his detractors have nothing to do with the president. But in 36 cases, court records and police reports indicated some sort of link.

The perpetrators and suspects identified in the 36 cases are mostly white men -- as young as teenagers and as old as 75 -- while the victims largely represent an array of minority groups -- African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims and gay men.

Federal law enforcement authorities have privately told ABC News they worry that -- even with Trump's public denunciations of violence -- Trump's stylecould inspire violence-prone individuals to take action against minorities or others they perceive to be against the president's agenda.

 

[ok doser]

'No Blame?' ABC News finds 36 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults.

36, huh?

That sounds like a lot!