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[csuguy]

No, please explain the passage from the hebrew and show how thats an addition, other than just a description meaning into english from hebrew, since the sentiment is like God, and there isnt a hebrew direct equivalent to say specifically that.

Do show us the hebrew though and explain it to us and show us how the word "like god" is not the sentiment being expressed there by the very word and passage usage.

Or do you honestly want to tell us that God was telling moses to be an actual deity? Tell us also how you could believe moses was diety (since you are claiming that is what it says) but you are able to claim that Jesus is not Diety, but moses is?

The word in question is elohim, which means God. There is no word meaning 'like' in the passage.

Also notice that in your quote of Strongs, like is put in curly braces - indicating that it is not the literal translation.

Of course, all agree that Moses wasn't literally God - but it is important to note how the term is used in reference to someone who is not actually God.

 

[Angel4Truth]

The word in question is elohim, which means God. There is no word meaning 'like' in the passage.

Also notice that in your quote of Strongs, like is put in curly braces - indicating that it is not the literal translation.

The word has more than one meaning, just like in english there are more than one meaning of several words (you guys act like you dont get that), the like was put there to diffrientiate between the 2 meanings, context and usage, unless you believe moses is equal to and also God almighty, then its clear which word usage is the meaning and thats judge/magistrate - and not God almighty.

But hey, you guys can certainly blaspheme God by claiming moses is equal to Him, at the same time you deny the Godhead to Christ and make Him lower than moses.

 

[csuguy]

The word has more than one meaning, just like in english there are more than one meaning of several words (you guys act like you dont get that), the like was put there to diffrientiate between the 2 meanings, context and usage, unless you believe moses is equal to and also God almighty, then its clear which word usage is the meaning and thats judge/magistrate - and not God almighty.

But hey, you guys can certainly blaspheme God by claiming moses is equal to Him, at the same time you deny the Godhead to Christ and make Him lower than moses.

Like is an interpretation - not the literal translation. This is an important point - for the literal translation refers to Moses as God.

As I noted above - we all agree that Moses is not actually God. Rather, the significance of the passage is the fact that the term 'God' is being applied to a normal man - giving the term a new depth of meaning that must be considered when speaking of Christ being called God.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Like is an interpretation - not the literal translation. This is an important point - for the literal translation refers to Moses as God.

no one said it wasnt - english itself is an interpretation from the hebrew.

As I noted above - we all agree that Moses is not actually God.

Then in other words, he(moses) would be made to be like a god (Elohim which has 2 meanings - there the meaning is like a ruler/judge/magistrate over pharaoh) since he wasnt officially a ruler in egypt or a judge there.

Easy to see why the word like is there in the equivalent because just saying god, doesnt explain what usage is being taken from the 2 different meanings that word has.

So oatmeals claim is errant at best and wholly dishonest at worst to compare the usage from hebrews to that verse, when the 2 words do not mean the same thing by context.

Then a third issue would be if oat still wants to insist they mean the same thing, then he would also have to believe that not only was Christ being called God in hebrews but that He was being said to be above God the Father, since the verse in Exodus is literally saying that moses would be above pharoh...

Either way oat has a real problem with his claim that these verses have the same meaning when it comes to the word God there.

 

[csuguy]

Then in other words, he(moses) would be made to be like a god (Elohim which has 2 meanings - there the meaning is like a ruler/judge/magistrate over pharaoh) since he wasnt officially a ruler in egypt or a judge there.

Easy to see why the word like is there in the equivalent because just saying god, doesnt explain what usage is being taken from the 2 different meanings that word has.

So oatmeals claim is errant at best and wholly dishonest at worst to compare the usage from hebrews to that verse, when the 2 words do not mean the same thing by context.

Then a third issue would be if oat still wants to insist they mean the same thing, then he would also have to believe that not only was Christ being called God in hebrews but that He was being said to be above God the Father, since the verse in Exodus is literally saying that moses would be above pharoh...

Either way oat has a real problem with his claim that these verses have the same meaning when it comes to the word God there.

The problem is that the translators have overstepped their bounds when translating the passage so as to lead the reader to their understanding of the passage. We need to accept that the term God has multiple connotations within scripture, one of which, at least, can be applied to man. When they add words such as 'like' in there - they are taking away the knowledge that the term 'God' was used directly in reference to Moses.

I don't necessarily agree with all that oatmeal has said, but I would agree that this alternate connotation needs to be considered when the term is used with respect to Christ. The term might be Greek in origin, but it is being used by a Jew in a religious context - and thus carries with it the connotations used in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Furthermore, there is plenty of scripture to demonstrate the divide between God and Jesus - not to mention their titles: Father and Son.