Discussion-One on One: Abortion (red77 vs. Turbo)

[Delmar]

Would you rather an undeveolped yound girl go through with the physical dangers alongside the obvious mental trauma of such an undertaking?

Would I rather do that, than commit what I am convinced is murder? Why do you need to ask?

 

[red77]

Would I rather do that, than commit what I am convinced is murder? Why do you need to ask?

So, forcing an 11 year old child to endure a physically dangerous pregnancy and labour is totally justifiable is it?

 

[Poly]

So, forcing an 11 year old child to endure a physically dangerous pregnancy and labour is totally justifiable is it?

But forcing a baby to be murdered is perfectly ok with you. :doh:

 

[red77]

But forcing a baby to be murdered is perfectly ok with you. :doh:

Well this is the crux then isn't it? You don't deny that that an 11 year old child is going to undertake a very risky physical pregnancy that could actually threaten her life?

 

[Poly]

Well this is the crux then isn't it? You don't deny that that an 11 year old child is going to undertake a very risky physical pregnancy that could actually threaten her life?

A risky pregnancy doesn't justify murdering a baby. :duh:

 

[red77]

A risky pregnancy doesn't justify murdering a baby. :duh:

Oh right, it's ok to risk a child's life to undertake it though right?

 

[Poly]

Oh right, it's ok to risk a child's life to undertake it though right?

What a doofus you are!

Do you even hear what you're saying?! You suggest it's wrong to risk one child's life while it's perfectly reasonable that another child be murdered. :dizzy:

 

[red77]

What a doofus you are!

Do you even hear what you're saying?! You suggest it's wrong to risk one child's life while it's perfectly reasonable that another child be murdered. :dizzy:

Ok, where do you draw the line then? You think it's ok for an 11 year old to be FORCED to undergo a severely risky pregnancy then? That to me is absosulutely sick.......

 

[Poly]

Ok, where do you draw the line then?

"Relieving suffering by causing others to suffer"

Sound familiar?

 

[red77]

"Relieving suffering by causing others to suffer"

Sound familiar?

Uh, that doesn't even address my question, if an 11 year old aborts immediately then "suffering" isn't even an argument as there is no developed life able to feel pain......

if you want to go down the route of life rights then fair enough but for this particular debate why are you so seemingly apathetic to the dangers for the 11 year old child and the obvious physical dangers such a pregnancy would present?

 

[Poly]

Uh, that doesn't even address my question, if an 11 year old aborts immediately then "suffering" isn't even an argument as there is no developed life able to feel pain......

Then why did you say this in the debate?

Does the age/stage of development of a pre-born baby play a role in whether it acceptable to kill him or her?

No, obviously it's more horrific when a baby is physically torn apart but on the issue as to where it becomes acceptable to abort a growing life i believe that from conception it's unacceptable

 

[PKevman]

Then why did you say this in the debate?

I know why he said it Poly. Because Red77 is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

 

[Poly]

I know why he said it Poly. Because Red77 is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

Bingo!

 

[Stripe]

Oh ok Stipe, please give definitive proof as to how an 11 year old going through pregnancy, labour and childbirth isn't physically dangerous....:doh:

Please give definitive proof of how walking out the front door isn't physically dangerous.

Moron.

 

[Stripe]

Who said anything other? In this scenario the mother could do nothing to save the child with her, she would be repulsed etc etc obviously!!!!!!!! But lets take a look at what you're implying here, it would seem to be ok for the mother to eat her child (actually the child is gone, it's merely a shell correct?) if there were other babies or children dependant on her - but NOT ok for the mother to just survive by herself, is that correct?

I'm telling you what every loving mother would probably feel and most definitely choose. You really should stop.

 

[Stripe]

This guy is about on the mental capacity of a poached egg.

 

[Delmar]

Uh, that doesn't even address my question, if an 11 year old aborts immediately then "suffering" isn't even an argument as there is no developed life able to feel pain......

if you want to go down the route of life rights then fair enough but for this particular debate why are you so seemingly apathetic to the dangers for the 11 year old child and the obvious physical dangers such a pregnancy would present?

You don't think the guilt of knowing she hired a "hit man" to kill her baby will cause her any suffering?

 

[PKevman]

This guy is about on the mental capacity of a poached egg.

Man Stipe, you have a low view of poached eggs don't you?

 

[Turbo]

If red77 wanted to win, he'd have to attack the premise that an unborn fetus possesses the same moral status as a young post-natal child, but I'm not sure he's prepared to do that, and it would involve a lot of backpedaling.

red77 would still be losing even if that had been her position from the beginning because that position is just as indefensible.

 

[red77]

Then why did you say this in the debate?

Because in the vast majority of cases it's what I believe, I'm not 'pro abort' and the scenarios we've been debating involve danger to the mothers in question....