disappointed in Guiliani's remarks RE Pres O's attitude about USA

republicanchick

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Giuliani is just saying what 80% or more of Americans (Amereechis?)

think

(I think Amereechi is the Arabic word for Americans...? In any case, it just popped into my head..)



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Lexington'96

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the only thing I question vis a vis his conservatism or lack thereof is that he may not be as pro life as i would like

I don't think he is pro-life at all. This article about Rudy was written in 2008 when he was running for President:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/gop-loses-its-life/

1980 was a watershed year for the Republican Party. The importance of social conservatives to the coalition Ronald Reagan was assembling was such that George H.W. Bush had to renounce his pro-choice past to become Reagan’s running mate. Since that time, every presidential and vice-presidential nominee of the GOP has been pro-life. There is room for debate about what social conservatives have gotten from the GOP; many now complain that they are consigned to the back of the Republican bus. But there is no doubt what the support of social conservatives has brought the GOP: electoral victory after victory, including the re-election of George W. Bush in 2004. Without the support of social conservatives in Ohio for Bush, we would now be approaching the end of John Kerry’s first term. In fact, in the 28 years since the elder Bush became pro-life to become Reagan’s running mate, the GOP has controlled at least the White House, the House, or the Senate—and often several of these—in 26 of those years...

All of this may be about to change: polls indicate that Rudy Giuliani is the frontrunner to be the next Republican presidential nominee. If Giuliani becomes the party’s standard-bearer and is then elected, the informal prohibition against pro-choice candidates within the GOP will be shattered, and the power of social conservatives within the party will inevitably decline. The bar for future candidates will be set not by the Gipper, but by the former mayor of New York who proudly told CNN in 1999, “I’m pro-choice, I’m pro-gay rights.”

Giuliani’s self description was accurate. As mayor, he marched in gay-pride parades and proclaimed “Out in Government Day.” In 1997, he signed a bill providing to city employees in “domestic partnerships” the same benefits enjoyed by married employees. Giuliani described the legislation as a “significant step forward in the human rights continuum.”

With respect to abortion, Giuliani opposed all efforts to provide legal protection to the unborn. He spoke out in opposition to requiring minors to obtain parental consent for abortions and favored taxpayer funding. When asked on “Meet the Press” in 2000 if he supported Clinton’s veto of a partial-birth abortion ban, he responded, “I would vote to preserve the option for women,” positioning himself to the left of many Democrats. Giuliani told Phil Donahue in 1989, “if the ultimate choice of the woman—my daughter or any other woman—would be in this particular circumstance to have an abortion, I’d support that. I’d give my daughter the money for it.” He went so far as to proclaim Jan. 22, 1998—the 25th anniversary of Roe v. Wade—“Roe v. Wade Anniversary Day...”

By demonstrating how unimportant social conservatives had become to the GOP, Giuliani’s nomination could well transform American politics. Millions of Americans vote Republican in spite of the party’s economic views, not because of them. There is no doubt a Giuliani candidacy would alienate many of these voters, pushing some to their ancestral Democratic home, some to a possible pro-life third party, and some to stay home on election day. Those who remain in the GOP would be part of a party that viewed the war on terror as the premier social issue, as Jonah Goldberg has argued it now is. Quite a descent from 1980...
 

Nick M

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It is only stupid to you since you mostly agree with the neocon garbage. He probably thinks the same of you and that gets you and him nowhere.

I agree with almost nothing of Rudy, nor do those who would side with me politically. I am just using the title he used when there is almost no correlation between us. He is stupid.
 

republicanchick

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I don't think he is pro-life at all. This article about Rudy was written in 2008 when he was running for President:
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wow, i didn't know it was that bad. Thanks for the info

i hope that "Catholic" changes his views and repents b4 he dies or he is in big trouble with the Man Upstairs..

There is a psg in one of the bks of the bible that says if we see our neighbor being led off to an unjust death and do nothing to help him we will be held accountable
 

aikido7

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loony tunes


:bang:

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Next time, be accountable for your feelings and express them respectfully and meaningfully like an adult.

You could say "I don't understand what you mean," or even "It sounds to me like you are saying things that do not make sense at all. Could you please clarify?
 

republicanchick

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Next time, be accountable for your feelings and express them respectfully and meaningfully like an adult.

You could say "I don't understand what you mean," or even "It sounds to me like you are saying things that do not make sense at all. Could you please clarify?

anyone who needs "loony tunes" clarified" is hopeless...

just a thought,

but a persistent one...



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