You cannot prove Neandertals were human but they may have been in spite of the fact that nobody can prove they were.
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Did modern humans and Neanderthals interbreed? No.
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How do I get that? From your own words.
1. If you believed the word of God you would know the only race of people God created is the human race. You obviously do not.
2. You would also know that there is only 1 DNA source for all humans. Adam and Eve.
3. If you believed in the flood you would know this is also a choke point for human DNA. Only 8 people survived the flood: Noah, his three sons, and their wives. There was no other human DNA on earth.
4. If you believed the Bible you would know that God disrupted the building of Babel to scatter the people all across the world.
5. You would also know that the flood was so violent an event that it broke up the earth's surface for God certainly didn't create the earth in the faulty condition it was found after the flood.
6. It was so broken up that even the environment had greatly changed.
7. The earth was tilted on it's access after the flood and that created an ice age because of the angle of the tilt changed the angles the sunlight entered the polar regions creating a major cooling at the poles. We know from other cold spells on the earth that as far south as France it was constant winter. Any of the post deluvians living there would be forced to live underground to keep from freezing. As it was most likely a small group they were forced to intermarry as they couldn't bring in any other dna from intermarrying with other groups.
8. You take the word of evolutionists over the word of God. That is not an exhibition of faith.
Do I have some speculation in this? Of course. But, it fits with the Biblical narrative of creation, the flood, the tower of Babel and the condition of the earth after the flood. Nothing that you are pushing agrees with the Bible.
I find your claim that God is telling you to contradict His word very far fetched indeed. Jesus said, A house divided against itself it cannot stand. And your ideas in this area contradict the word of God very plainly.
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They were human or not. I believe that there is adequate evidence that they were human.
What is the point of this thread?
I never claimed God told me to contradict His Word. Just because I disagree with some who think God said things He did not say does not mean I have a disagreement with God.
How do you know that Nimrod was the leader at that time?
Did you even read your articles?
Yes, I have read the science reports I posted.
Again, Neandertals were human beings.
Bringing the discussion here.
No. As RD said, we do it like adults. We mock those teaching foolishness, because they teach foolishness, not because we're like fifth graders mocking another child they don't like, simply for the fact that they don't like him.
Again, Neandertals were humans.
Humans cannot (and should not, for that matter) copulate with animals (in this case, apes) and produce children, because humans were made in the image of God, whereas animals were not.
We are on a completely different level than animals.
Try within the 7500 years, at most.
This is how I can tell you weren't paying attention to what you read.
I said nothing to compare the chimpanzee genome to the human genome.
I said that Neandertals were closer genetically to other humans than a chimp is TO ANOTHER CHIMP.
Meaning, if you were to measure the differences between two chimpanzees today, their genomes would be more different than the genomes of a neandertal and a modern human.
No, they weren't a different species.
They were human.
For more, see https://kgov.com/neandertal.
This thread should do.
No. As RD said, we do it like adults. We mock those teaching foolishness, because they teach foolishness, not because we're like fifth graders mocking another child they don't like, simply for the fact that they don't like him.
Again, Neandertals were humans.
Humans cannot (and should not, for that matter) copulate with animals (in this case, apes) and produce children, because humans were made in the image of God, whereas animals were not.
We are on a completely different level than animals.
Try within the 7500 years, at most.
This is how I can tell you weren't paying attention to what you read.
I said nothing to compare the chimpanzee genome to the human genome.
I said that Neandertals were closer genetically to other humans than a chimp is TO ANOTHER CHIMP.
Meaning, if you were to measure the differences between two chimpanzees today, their genomes would be more different than the genomes of a neandertal and a modern human.
No, they weren't a different species.
They were human.
For more, see https://kgov.com/neandertal.
This thread should do.
Linked on the kgov article
Read it. Okay Neanderthal and humans same species. So what? They lived together until 40-50000 years ago,
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You have done a lot of thinking about all of this, but I suspect you may be missing some key points. One, you mention an ice age. If the earth's tilt created an ice age, then why are we not still in an ice age? There was no 'snowball earth' universal ice age after the flood. Before the flood the Arctic region was temperate, but the temperature change was almost instantaneous as soon as heaven opened, and the waters fell at the outset of the flood. Tropical forests at the Arctic Circle were flatted by massive flood waters which froze solid almost entirely from then until now.
The problem scientists are having is finding evidence of DNA linking modern humans and Neanderthals. I don't believe the science has been irrefutably settled on this issue.
Humans and Neanderthals had sex, but not very often
Tens of thousands of years ago, our ancestors spread across the world, having sex with Neanderthals, Denisovans and other groups of ancient humans as they went. Today, our genes testify to these prehistoric liaisons. Last year, when the Neanderthal genome was finally sequenced, it emerged that...
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To an extent, these are caricatured versions of the two models, and there are subtler variants of each. Still, early evidence seemed to support the extreme Out of Africa version. When scientists sequenced the mitochondrial genome of Neanderthals (a small secondary set of genes set apart from the main pack), they found no evidence that any of these sequences had invaded the modern human genome. The conclusion: Neanderthals and humans never bred.
The full Neanderthal genome disproved that idea, but it also shifted the question from whether humans had sex with Neanderthals to just how much sex they had. As I mentioned in New Scientist earlier this year, modern humans were spreading into areas where Neanderthals existed. “It doesn’t necessarily take a lot of sex for genes from a resident population to infiltrate the genomes of colonisers. When an incoming group mates with an established one, the genes they pick up quickly rise to prominence as their population grows.”
The problem scientists are having is finding evidence of DNA linking modern humans and Neanderthals. I don't believe the science has been irrefutably settled on this issue.
Humans and Neanderthals had sex, but not very often
Tens of thousands of years ago, our ancestors spread across the world, having sex with Neanderthals, Denisovans and other groups of ancient humans as they went. Today, our genes testify to these prehistoric liaisons. Last year, when the Neanderthal genome was finally sequenced, it emerged that...
To an extent, these are caricatured versions of the two models, and there are subtler variants of each. Still, early evidence seemed to support the extreme Out of Africa version. When scientists sequenced the mitochondrial genome of Neanderthals (a small secondary set of genes set apart from the main pack), they found no evidence that any of these sequences had invaded the modern human genome. The conclusion: Neanderthals and humans never bred.
The full Neanderthal genome disproved that idea, but it also shifted the question from whether humans had sex with Neanderthals to just how much sex they had. As I mentioned in New Scientist earlier this year, modern humans were spreading into areas where Neanderthals existed. “It doesn’t necessarily take a lot of sex for genes from a resident population to infiltrate the genomes of colonisers. When an incoming group mates with an established one, the genes they pick up quickly rise to prominence as their population grows.”