Cheney predicted ISIS in 1994!

[jgarden]

Document 52: Department of State Cable from George P. Shultz to the United States Embassy in Lebanon [et al.]. "Department Press Briefing, March 30, 1984," March 31, 1984.

The State Department announces it has imposed foreign policy controls on Iran and Iraq for exports of chemical weapons precursors. It responds to questions from the press about U.S. policy regarding the Iran-Iraq war, and a department spokesperson says Iraq's chemical weapons use will not change U.S. interest in pursuing closer U.S.-Iraq relations.

Source: Declassified under the Freedom of Information Acthttp://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/#docs

- a department (US State Department) spokesperson says Iraq's chemical weapons use will not change U.S. interest in pursuing closer U.S.-Iraq relations.

Apparently in 1984, the Reagan Administration (in which GHW Bush served as Vice President) had no concerns about Saddam's use of chemical weapons against the Iranians and his own people - the Kurds!

Dick Cheney represented Wyoming in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1978 to 1989 and was a staunch supporter of the Reagan Administration.

 

[Greg Jennings]

You seem surprised. Everyone on the right has more wisdom than you. Leaving let them gather strength. And welcome to the right side of the debate.

So you think that we could've fixed Iraq if we would've stayed longer and spent trillions more? What baloney. I guess that was the problem with Libya and Egypt, too, eh?

It kind of sucks, but the reality is that the Middle East is just too volatile at this point in time to support a real democracy. The only way to control the multiple opposing fighting groups in each country is to make them fearful of fighting.

For example, Saddam had to deal with all sorts of Sunni extremist groups and the Kurds in Iraq. To keep them in line, he had to make sure anybody who defied him was severely punished, and since people often don't value their own lives as much as their families' he often punished the family as well. In doing this, he sent a message to these radical groups and the Kurds that if you got out of line, you and your family were done for. Fear is the only way to control regions as unstable as most of the Middle East.

The worst thing the US could do right now is to depose Assad. It'll be Iraq, Libya, and Egypt all over again. We shouldn't be so stupid as to repeat our mistakes

 

[User Name]

Unfortunately Cheney's powers of prediction didn't extend to the location of the WMD in Iraq.

The Bush Administration admitted there were no WMDs in Iraq in 2001:

Powell & Rice Tell The Truth About Iraq

You'll notice that Cheney wasn't beating the war drums over WMDs in Iraq back in 1994. What was it that changed Cheney's position on the idea of an Iraq invasion between 1994 and 2003?

I'll answer my own question. After leaving the Bush 41 administration in 1993, Cheney went on to become the Chairman and CEO of Halliburton, a position he held until being picked for VP in 2000 by Bush 43. Cheney left with a substantial stock investment in Halliburton, and it just so happened that an Iraq invasion would benefit Halliburton's bottom line--thus substantially enriching Cheney's investment portfolio. So Bush 43 got his revenge against Hussein for attempting to take the life of Bush 41, Cheney got rich, and we all got treated to more rhetoric about the establishment of a "New World Order".

Oh, and the only MWD program that was found had been bombed out of commission during the first Iraq war in 1991, and the only people to get poisoned by it were American troops who accidentally stumbled onto its residuals.

 

[Nazaroo]

Cheney is a despicable hypocrite . When he and G.W. Bush decided to invade Iraq based on a blatant lie about non-existent weapons of mass destruction there - FOR OIL MONEY , which was immoral, illegal, unconstitutional and despicable , they caused the needless deaths of 4,500 US troops, hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis including children , the destruction of a sovereign nation , the waste of trillions of dollars which should have been used for desperately needed domestic projects and total chaos in Iraq and the middle east .
THESE two war criminals and mass murderers created ISIS .
President Obama and his administration inherited this horrendous mess , and now right-wing idiots are blaming THEM . Unbelievable .
Bush & Cheney should have been impeached, removed from office and given life in prison . The Obama administration has handled this
quagmire as well as it could , an impossible situation caused by two
vile men .

This is all valid except for the excusing of Obama.

If the presidency really was a democratic institution, he would have impeached and arrested the criminals.

But Obama is just the left hand of the very same powermonger banksters
who have always ruled.
The same 500 elite families backed him as backed Bush,
for the purpose of fooling you into thinking you have any power in democratic systems.

There are two kinds of democrats:

Puppets, and suckers.

 

[User Name]

You seem surprised. Everyone on the right has more wisdom than you. Leaving let them gather strength. And welcome to the right side of the debate.

You seem to have missed the point Cheney made in 1994--which was that we never should have gone in to begin with, for the reasons he so eloquently stated.

 

[Greg Jennings]

Liberal is just your label so we don't have to type out Christ hating homo pig every time.

I've never heard of that species before. Is it new?

 

[User Name]

This is all valid except for the excusing of Obama.

If the presidency really was a democratic institution, he would have impeached and arrested the criminals.

In American politics, the Republican and Democratic Parties basically amount to a "duopoly." When one party wins the White House, they don't investigate the other party's previous administration, and in return, they won't get investigated themselves. It is an unwritten rule that "one hand washes the other."

Obama is a bit of a unique case because he is the first multiracial president--that was controversial enough for some people. For that reason alone, he knew coming in that he couldn't rock the boat too much. That's why he hasn't been as radical as his background suggested he might be.

 

[lighthouse99]

Back in 1994, Dick Cheney (who had been the Secretary of Defense under President George H.W. Bush during the first Iraq war) explained that the Bush 41 administration did not invade Iraq to remove Saddam Hussein from power for the following reasons:
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why didnt we just do something all the way, as in take complete control of Iraq, get Saddam out and claim the dang place for the USA? Then we could teach the Iraquis about Democracy and after a significant time has passed and things are under control, we could hand over the country to some truly democratic person, someone who has been fighting for Democracy for a long time (the only kind you can trust)?

Why does America do things half--- and then expect it to turn out well?

We would not be being tyrants. Most Iraquis WANT the end to tyranny in Iraq, they want Democracy


:think:

 

[drbrumley]

Most Iraquis WANT the end to tyranny in Iraq, they want Democracy


:think:

You really, really, really need to get educated.

 

[User Name]

As each year passes, the memories of the Iraq War fade, but one fact still rings true: George W. Bush and Dick Cheney lied to the American people about their reasons for invading. Jesse Ventura explains:

George & Dick Belong Behind Bars

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[Just-me:David]

the things IsIs members think they are justified to do....

the things IsIs members think they are justified to do....

It's appalling to know what the members of ISis thinks they are justified under. They think that 'rape' brings them closer to God and is a form of worship. It's not in the Koran but I guess it might be in the 'hadiths'... I don't know.... But they do say that it is 'halal'.

 

[User Name]

Moderator John Dickerson asked Trump point blank if he stood by his 2008 comments that Bush deserved to be impeached for allegedly misleading the public about the reasons for going into Iraq, a reminder that Trump has spent much of his life as a left-leaning critic of the GOP.

Trump went on to say something even more unusual in a Republican primary. He suggested that the former GOP president, George W. Bush, directly lied to the American public in order to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

“I will tell you. They lied. And they said there were weapons of mass destruction and there were none. And they knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction,” Trump said.

Donald Trump: Bush Lied, People Died

 

[Totton Linnet]

...he dint foresee that the Yanks would supply them with the weapons.


...which they do in Syria too

 

[jgarden]

Cheney predicted ISIS in 1994!

Unfortunately Cheney's predictions didn't include those about the location of those WMDs, upon which the overthrow of Saddam and the Iraq War were predicated!

Saddam must be laughing in his grave that America overthrew him only to set the stage for an even more radical enemy - this time equipped with the best of captured US military weapons bought and paid for by the American taxpayer!

 

[User Name]

Trump: Iraq Invasion Was A Mistake

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[Nick M]

2007

 

[Nick M]

Trump: Iraq Invasion Was A Mistake

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Trump's other mistake is thinking he can make a deal with the democrats. I hope he can get them to see it my way, but I don't think so. Reagan took them at their word that spending cuts would come.