I wouldnt use the word "evil" , i would rather say he just doesnt care about what we do.
He is like a father who watches his children kill each other and not interfere, that is if he exists.
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Change my athiest opinion!
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He is like a father who watches his children kill each other and not interfere, that is if he exists.
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My Father is longsuffering not willing that any should perish.
He does not chastise illegitimate sons that are not his.
Sons that are indeed his do not murder and kill.
iouae
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I wouldnt use the word "evil" , i would rather say he just doesnt care about what we do.
He is like a father who watches his children kill each other and not interfere, that is if he exists.
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Let's take your life. Suppose that every time you were about to do wrong, God interfered and prevented you doing it. Every time you wanted to tell a lie, the words refused to come out. You meet this beautiful girl in a bar and want to take her home, but paralysis sets in. You want to do a business deal where you know it will harm someone, and the deal just stalls. etc. etc. etc.
How much do you think you would be left able to do, if God prevented you from sinning?
And, would you like a God like that?
Would you want more of the same frustrating life - to eternity?
“"Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it.”
**Zechariah *12:2-3 *NASB
http://bible.com/100/zec.12.2-3.nasb
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**Zechariah *12:2-3 *NASB
http://bible.com/100/zec.12.2-3.nasb
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Can you explain this? My English isn't very strong.
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Firstly bro i dont think there is anything wrong in taking a girl home.
Obviously he should paralyze a kid for lying about eating a chocolate, thats idiotic.
Killing just one man hitler, before the war began could had saved millions of lives.
If there is a god give your children the freedom to live but when they are killing or raping each other, something that serious! How can one father just sit and say freedom of living.
Would your dad watch you getting raped? If he interfered would that be taking away your freedom of living free or freedom of make a choice?
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Sure. As an atheist you must believe that physical death is the end: and therefore you do not believe that you will be required to answer to God for anything you do because you do not believe in God. And it is primarily because of your belief system and other similar belief systems that evil men do the things they do, such as start wars, and murder, and kill, because they do not believe they will ever be required to answer for the things they do. Therefore atheism is a pox and an ugly scar on humanity: and all the wars, and murders, and killings, and evil things done by carnal minded men, will be placed at your own door step in the end: all the blame will end up with you and yours for thinking and teaching that death is the end and you will not be required to answer for the evil that you do. It is always the non-believers that kill the believers because the non-believers on the inside actually hate and despise God and his people. That goes also for those in the past who killed in the name of God: they too were non-believers in reality, regardless of what they claimed to believe, because they showed themselves murderers. For all the things you have complained about the blame will end up at your own doorstep for teaching and believing that you will never have to answer for your actions. You may be able to control yourself but your teachings, faith, and beliefs in the hands of others leads them to think they can get away with wars, murder, and killing. However wars, killing, murder, and physical death, are not what it means to perish in the eyes of the Creator.
iouae
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You have just told God that two of His ten commandments are "idiotic" or wrong.
What if the kid gets away with lying about chocolate, and grows up to be a lawyer or politician? The chocolate may be a gateway to lying which God may feel needs nipping in the bud. Most parents get wound up when their kids tell "white" lies even.
And God may definitely object to you taking this beautiful girl home if you have intentions to bed her.
So it sounds like you would want to be the one deciding which rules are idiotic. I am not sure you would do well under the God of the Bible if He were to physically prevent you from sinning. He has not even done it to you and you are already objecting - it's just a chocolate, and why can't I have her?
Suppose you ate the chocolate, told the lie, got away with it, grew up to be a politician, and became President. And suppose God thought you would be a lousy President. Would you want him to kill you?
Or let's suppose you have a lesser job, like being a chef, and you are a lousy chef. Would you want God to kill you? Of course not. We all want God to punish and control OTHER folks, but would we like Him punishing and controlling us? If you slept with that girl you just met in the bar, would you like it if God killed you for perhaps ruining her perfect life which God had planned for her?
So you want God to interfere in others lives (not yours) for only (what you consider) serious crimes, because you think you don't commit these serious crimes, so you would be safe from godly interference?
I am not saying you are wrong btw, just fleshing out what you actually want from a "God".
PS. If God killed Hitler, God would have to kill all the Germans who voted for him, who knew he was an anti-Semite, since Hitler wrote all he would do if elected in Mein Kampf (which I read once), including persecute the Jews.
First of all thats quite rude to talk like that gor someone's beliefs. I should talk **** about your belief or religion too but i won't cause that's not what my belief "athiesm" has taught me.
Secondly you talk about wars and hatred brother clearly we can see who is filled up with more hatred, making such harsh accusations without any proof or history.
Can you prove that all wars or even 50% of wars were started by atheists? Can you prove that most of us a mean and war minded unhumane?
If not then who told you? God?
You are just talking non sense brother, there are no teachings or beliefs or faiths of atheism lol. Its just disbelief of god.
I hope your rage ends here, coming back to the topic -
So you are saying till i am alive god wont help me? Magic is gonna happen afterwards?
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Colossians 1 - KJV - Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.I am an athiest, prove me wrong. Keep the threads and replies short.
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3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;
8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.
9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
Ephesians 1:3-23 KJV -Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Ephesians 2 - KJV - And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
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how can i tell soneone something that doesn't exists, according to me.
As far as i know i am just talking to you, this should be simple.
If the kid turns out to be a leader like hitler, change his mind, put him somewhere else, if nothing works call him back. Dont make him order million of people to die infront of their family or women get raped and sit. Take the reign of power from him.
You just need to have the intention to help.
I dont find anything wrong in bedding a girl if it is mutual agreement. Really man i dont.
I dont want to decide which 'rules' are idiotic, all i said was he doesnt need to control every small thing in our lives, maybe a few dictators, is that too much?
Il explain
Had i seen my kids killed by some crazy dictator I would interfere, that doesnt mean i would want to control everything in there lives from what they see to what they like.
If you want god to prevent things like lying, then even better, i support it. Not having the choice to do sonething like lying isnt taking away freedom of life, we dont lie all day 24/7 in our lives. I myself do it maybe once in a few days. Still i dont find it very necessary as you do.
That kid can be controlled later, no need to put a lie detector in every ones mouth. Just snatch away his powers when he becomes a big leader.
Why would you kill a person for being lousy? Lol that makes no sense till you specify his crime. If i sleep with a girl whats my fault? I dont have any idea what her life may be. How am i responsible for it?
So no he has no right to harm someone with no fault.
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It is also quite rude for you to blame my Father for all of your wars, murders, and killing.
Quote my one sentence where i am blaming him for wars? All i said was he doesn't exist.It is also quite rude for you to blame my Father for all of your wars, murders, and killing.
An athiest believes there is no god, so blaming him is out of the context.
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What are the facts of evolution or gravity theory?
musterion
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Why I've got them right here, right next to my Big Book o' Flat Earth Facts by Prof. Irwin Corey.
Yes, you actually did, even if it was inadvertently; for you essentially said that if my Father was real then He is guilty of complacency for not stopping world wars. But I know that He is indeed real and true: you therefore accused my Father of being guilty of complacency, and boasted yourself against Him for not stopping you and yours from doing what you do, even after I told you that He does not chastise or rebuke illegitimate sons who are not His. The whole world lies in wickedness and you and yours rule the world. :chuckle:
First of all
Sam didn't prevent his sister from being harmed
Sam caused his sister harm.
These are two different things you see, i think any person can tell this.
You said i blamed your God of something which i didnt.
[It is also quite rude for you to blame my Father for all of your wars, murders, and killing.]
And then when i asked you of quoting me you simply said
That i dont think he is real and thats why he didnt interfere.
Darling thats not blaming [emoji14]
and please i am more than happy being a illegitimate child than following blind beliefs all my life
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iouae
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Maybe God does have an intention to help. But God is very old and very wise, so maybe He helps in ways less obvious to us less old and less wise humans.
For instance, there has not been a world war since 1948 - maybe because we learned from Hitler. So maybe God was laying the groundwork for 70 years of peace, with 6 years of war which got rid of dictators and those who love to go to war. I don't know if this is so, because I am not old and wise.
Hitler survived 44 assassination attempts. Maybe, counter intuitively, God was protecting Hitler so that he could fight Stalin, another equally bad dictator. And Hitler was probably the worst general in Germany, so if ANYONE else had gained power, Germany would have been even more dangerous. And maybe God was punishing the German people for voting for Hitler, since 6 million Germans died. To this day, the Jews are the one group of people dead set against becoming Christians. So why is God obliged to help them? You surely don't think God is obliged to help you when you are in trouble, since you don't claim to be a friend of His. My experience is that God VERY DEFINITELY helps His friends. Nowhere in the Book does God go out of His way to help His enemies. Call Him funny that way.
And I am not trying to lay a guilt trip on you and say you are wrong either. God just has this thing about one man marrying one woman and living as a couple from then on, ad infinitum. That's another one of His quirks. I can see the logic for it too, since children thrive in a stable home with two parents - but this arrangement interferes with the parent's freedoms, and God does not seem to value that.
If you were God and got to decide, I am sure your way of only having a few dictators and only interfering for big things would work great. And, if you were the only God/game in town, I would worship you and defend your policy here on TOL.