ECT CATHOLIC CHURCH & PROTESTANT SECTS: What's the Difference?

[brewmama]

:doh:

http://www.truthnet.org/Bible-Origins/6_The_Apocrypha_The_Septugint/

https://carm.org/apocrypha-it-scripture

Thanks for proving my point, from your own post.

"The Septuagint became the Jewish Bible for the Jews of the Diaspora[1] who communicated in the Greek language. In 63 B.C., the Jewish Maccabean Kingdom fell to the Romans, and Judea became a Roman province. By this time, the Greek language well established in the Mediterranean world, allowed Christianity began to spread in the Roman world, the Jewish Bible, the Old Testament, for the Greek-speaking world was the Septuagint.

The basis of Christianity is Jesus, who is the Messiah of the Old Testament. Christians, those who believe Jesus Christ is Messiah presented Jesus to the Jews of Asia and Rome, they used the Septuagint as their proof text. Showing how Jesus fulfilled Jewish prophecy about the Messiah. In fact, at the writing of the Gospels and epistles, many of the quotes from the Hebrew Scriptures come from the Septuagint because they were widely accepted in the Roman and Greek worlds."

 

[Bright Raven]

Thanks for proving my point, from your own post.

"The Septuagint became the Jewish Bible for the Jews of the Diaspora[1] who communicated in the Greek language. In 63 B.C., the Jewish Maccabean Kingdom fell to the Romans, and Judea became a Roman province. By this time, the Greek language well established in the Mediterranean world, allowed Christianity began to spread in the Roman world, the Jewish Bible, the Old Testament, for the Greek-speaking world was the Septuagint.

The basis of Christianity is Jesus, who is the Messiah of the Old Testament. Christians, those who believe Jesus Christ is Messiah presented Jesus to the Jews of Asia and Rome, they used the Septuagint as their proof text. Showing how Jesus fulfilled Jewish prophecy about the Messiah. In fact, at the writing of the Gospels and epistles, many of the quotes from the Hebrew Scriptures come from the Septuagint because they were widely accepted in the Roman and Greek worlds."

The Apocrypha consists of a set of books written between approximately 400 B.C. and the time of Christ. The word, "apocrypha," (απόκρυφα) means "Hidden." These books consist of 1 and 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, the Rest of Esther, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, (also titled Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, The Letter of Jeremiah, Song of the Three Young Men, Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, The Additions to Daniel, The Prayer of Manasseh, and 1 and 2 Maccabees.

The Protestant Church rejects the apocrypha as being inspired as do the Jews. But in 1546, the Roman Catholic Church officially declared some of the apocryphal books to belong to the canon of Scripture. These are Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (also known as Ecclesiasticus), and Baruch. The apocryphal books are written in Greek--not Hebrew (except for Ecclesiasticus, 1 Maccabees, a part of Judith, and Tobit) and contain some useful historical information. Taken from CARM.org

 

[brewmama]

The Apocrypha consists of a set of books written between approximately 400 B.C. and the time of Christ. The word, "apocrypha," (απόκρυφα) means "Hidden." These books consist of 1 and 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, the Rest of Esther, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, (also titled Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, The Letter of Jeremiah, Song of the Three Young Men, Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, The Additions to Daniel, The Prayer of Manasseh, and 1 and 2 Maccabees.

The Protestant Church rejects the apocrypha as being inspired as do the Jews. But in 1546, the Roman Catholic Church officially declared some of the apocryphal books to belong to the canon of Scripture. These are Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (also known as Ecclesiasticus), and Baruch. The apocryphal books are written in Greek--not Hebrew (except for Ecclesiasticus, 1 Maccabees, a part of Judith, and Tobit) and contain some useful historical information. Taken from CARM.org

So basically, you just ignore evidence presented to you and just keep repeating the same disproved thing? Um, OK.

"The word Deuterocanonical comes from the Greek words Deutero and canona meaning "second canon." The word apocrypha comes from the Greek word ἀπόκρυφα, meaning "hidden." They are included in the Orthodox Bible because they were included in the Septuagint which was in use at the time of Jesus, and the authors of the New Testament. They are not called apocrypha by the Orthodox Church."

NOTHING to do with Trent or 1546.

 

[Cruciform]

I take it then that you do not believe that the Council of Trent added the Apocryphal Books to the Biblical text.

Of course I don't, since the testimony of history is entirely against it. The "Bible" (i.e., OT) of Jesus, the apostles, and the early Christian Church was the Greek translation known as the Septuagint---which contained all seven of the Deuterocanonical books. It's simply a fact of history. And these writings remained in the Christian canon until the so-called Reformation, when Luther and company removed them from Protestant printings of Scripture. You have the situation exactly backwards. (See the sources cited in my previous posts.)


Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

 

[Dona Bate]

The Protestant Church rejects the apocrypha as being inspired as do the Jews. But in 1546, the Roman Catholic Church officially declared some of the apocryphal books to belong to the canon of Scripture. These are Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (also known as Ecclesiasticus), and Baruch. The apocryphal books are written in Greek--not Hebrew (except for Ecclesiasticus, 1 Maccabees, a part of Judith, and Tobit) and contain some useful historical information. Taken from CARM.org

Uh uh! Shouldn't that be 'The Jews reject the apocrypha as being inspired as do the Protestant churches'!? I mean who ever heard of a group of Protestants deciding on anything together as one church let alone a Canon of scripture? No I'm afraid that Protestantism wasn't even heard of when nearly 1500 years earlier their OT Canon was non authoritatively decided on for them by a group of non Christian defroked Jewish Rabbi scholars who also reject the NT Canon in it's entirety. Unless of course you are going to make the ridiculously laughable claim that these same Jewish priests having already been rejected by God, and their temple destroyed in AD70 as promised, were still actually authoritatively inspired by Him to decide on an OT Canon circa AD100*while at the same time rejecting many of the Christian writings we have in our NT Canon today?*


Putting it simply if Protestants accept the authority of non Christian Jews to decide on their Christian Canon of scripture for them, then they must also reject the NT Canon rejected by that same non Christian Jewish authority. Otherwise that leaves Protestantism looking like nothing but a bunch of Judazing*hypocrites.


God Bless!

 

[Nick M]

Christians, those who believe Jesus Christ is Messiah presented Jesus to the Jews of Asia and Rome, they used the Septuagint as their proof text.

You know who reasoned from the scriptures on this, right?

 

[brewmama]

You know who reasoned from the scriptures on this, right?

The entire church.

 

[SabathMoon]

"This message is hidden because SabathMoon is on your ignore list."

You need to see your wifey nun again.

 

[Dona Bate]

You need to see your wifey nun again.

S&M needs to be reminded that this is not one of its usual porn hangouts. It is in fact an exclusively christian theology* forum ... at least it was last time I checked?

The only discipline your S&M trash talk should get here is a lengthy ban.

God Bless!

 

[SabathMoon]

S&M needs to be reminded that this is not one of its usual porn hangouts. It is in fact an exclusively christian theology* forum ... at least it was last time I checked?

The only discipline your S&M trash talk should get here is a lengthy ban.

God Bless!

I said nothing about porn. I said such that he needs to get his answers from his woman.