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Political spectrum as I see it & learned it from Bob Enyart (thanks Bob)
LEFT…………………………………………………………RIGHT
Rebellion, positivism, subjectivity ……………………………. Authority, law, right and wrong
Do: euthanize overtax fornicate………………………………Do not: murder, steal, adultery
Usurpers-- anarchy-- democracy-- republic--oligarchy --timocracy -- aristocracy-- monarchy--constitutional monarchy
Evil ………………………………………………………….God
MONETARY\ –communism-- socialism –fascism --freedom (with rights and contracts)
AUTHORITY \ people tell the government what to do--God gives authority to gover .Government tells the people what to do
………..\children have authority over parents ……………………..parents have authority over children
………...Left ….……middle……….Right
FAITH \ Atheism – polytheism – monotheism
ORIGINS\ Evolution – theistic evolu.--Creation
RIGHTS\ pro abortion – pro choice – pro life
EMOTIONS\ indifference, hate, despite, disinterest, concern, commitment, love
LEFT…………………………………………………………RIGHT
Rebellion, positivism, subjectivity ……………………………. Authority, law, right and wrong
Do: euthanize overtax fornicate………………………………Do not: murder, steal, adultery
Usurpers-- anarchy-- democracy-- republic--oligarchy --timocracy -- aristocracy-- monarchy--constitutional monarchy
Evil ………………………………………………………….God
MONETARY\ –communism-- socialism –fascism --freedom (with rights and contracts)
AUTHORITY \ people tell the government what to do--God gives authority to gover .Government tells the people what to do
………..\children have authority over parents ……………………..parents have authority over children
………...Left ….……middle……….Right
FAITH \ Atheism – polytheism – monotheism
ORIGINS\ Evolution – theistic evolu.--Creation
RIGHTS\ pro abortion – pro choice – pro life
EMOTIONS\ indifference, hate, despite, disinterest, concern, commitment, love
Then you're in the minority, pal. Sorry. The Nationalists and the Klan were and are unavoidably right-wing in their ideology and rhetoric. Get over yourself: this isn't an indictment on all of right-wing thinking, okay? To say that the political right is simon pure is simple minded and absolutely ridiculous. Neither side's hands are completely clean.
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If this is really what Bob is teaching regarding politics, perhaps he should just stick to talking about the bible. Those who are at towards the extreme right of the political spectrum in the US are likely to have a rather `red-shifted' view of the spectrum, shall we say? For a start the whole question of how much a thing is defined is highly relative. Even the communists can have a right wing as this report nicely demonstrates, so in a politically plural country, the consensus definition of left and right is the one that is valid. So sorry, you guys are on the cuckoo right. You're off the scale. Your opinion is unsupported by majority opinion and therefore wrong. It isn't even scriptural, as I doubt you will find the term "left wing" or "right wing" in the bible. And it's uninformed.
"Usurpers" is no more a political state than "Facile". I presume this is shoved in as some ham-fisted protection of Bob's wannabe Monarchy. Well, monarchies breed usurpers because the fixed hierarchies thwarted the ambitious. I'm still at a loss at to why this is worse than anarchy. Or how a usurper is somehow left wing. Was Macbeth a left-winger in the eponymous play? You probably haven't read it, so never mind. Ironically, although Bob's prose about the first ten days of his hypothetical monarchy was coy about the actual cause of this event, it seemed pretty clear that the constitutional republic (the rightful form of government) had somehow been usurped.
"Monarchs are usurpers and descendents of usurpers," as Mark Twain observed sagely. Bob's politics (if these are indeed what they are) are fraught with self-contradiction and are ill-conceived indeed.
Shouldn't fascism and communism and juntas and the like be in your chart somewhere?
Only one of these is a self-styled economic theory. I think you'll find that the other three only concern themselves with economic/monetarist practice only incidentally. Where are the real economics that are actually practiced? Where is mercantilism? Keynesian economics? Supply-side economics? Even capitalism? Maybe I'm just not understanding this chart.
Who knows what this means? Is there a progression here? Why is the God one in the middle? What are you trying to say here?
simplistic.......childish.......crap........
So people who practice voodoo in Haiti are moderate centrists when compared to atheist republicans because they're polytheists?
I'm just going to ignore this one.
And I keep hearing from you guys that pro choice just means pro abortion, but now I see that they are actually different categories. You lack consistency. I am now starting to suspect that its because you drink paint.
What this has to do with politics, I don't know. So when a Christian says he "hates the sin", he's flirting with communism? Or usurpation? Or usurpation and polytheism?
You're going to need to try and be more clearer. Thanks for the good yucks, but all laughing aside, I'm worried about the effects inhaled paint may be having on your cerebral functions. Stop doing it. If you do, try to resist posting to TOL and just call 911.
If this is really what Bob is teaching regarding politics, perhaps he should just stick to talking about the bible. Those who are at towards the extreme right of the political spectrum in the US are likely to have a rather `red-shifted' view of the spectrum, shall we say? For a start the whole question of how much a thing is defined is highly relative. Even the communists can have a right wing as this report nicely demonstrates, so in a politically plural country, the consensus definition of left and right is the one that is valid. So sorry, you guys are on the cuckoo right. You're off the scale. Your opinion is unsupported by majority opinion and therefore wrong. It isn't even scriptural, as I doubt you will find the term "left wing" or "right wing" in the bible. And it's uninformed.
"Usurpers" is no more a political state than "Facile". I presume this is shoved in as some ham-fisted protection of Bob's wannabe Monarchy. Well, monarchies breed usurpers because the fixed hierarchies thwarted the ambitious. I'm still at a loss at to why this is worse than anarchy. Or how a usurper is somehow left wing. Was Macbeth a left-winger in the eponymous play? You probably haven't read it, so never mind. Ironically, although Bob's prose about the first ten days of his hypothetical monarchy was coy about the actual cause of this event, it seemed pretty clear that the constitutional republic (the rightful form of government) had somehow been usurped.
"Monarchs are usurpers and descendents of usurpers," as Mark Twain observed sagely. Bob's politics (if these are indeed what they are) are fraught with self-contradiction and are ill-conceived indeed.
Shouldn't fascism and communism and juntas and the like be in your chart somewhere?
Only one of these is a self-styled economic theory. I think you'll find that the other three only concern themselves with economic/monetarist practice only incidentally. Where are the real economics that are actually practiced? Where is mercantilism? Keynesian economics? Supply-side economics? Even capitalism? Maybe I'm just not understanding this chart.
Who knows what this means? Is there a progression here? Why is the God one in the middle? What are you trying to say here?
simplistic.......childish.......crap........
So people who practice voodoo in Haiti are moderate centrists when compared to atheist republicans because they're polytheists?
I'm just going to ignore this one.
And I keep hearing from you guys that pro choice just means pro abortion, but now I see that they are actually different categories. You lack consistency. I am now starting to suspect that its because you drink paint.
What this has to do with politics, I don't know. So when a Christian says he "hates the sin", he's flirting with communism? Or usurpation? Or usurpation and polytheism?
You're going to need to try and be more clearer. Thanks for the good yucks, but all laughing aside, I'm worried about the effects inhaled paint may be having on your cerebral functions. Stop doing it. If you do, try to resist posting to TOL and just call 911.
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Usurpers-- anarchy-- democracy-- republic--oligarchy --timocracy -- aristocracy-- monarchy--constitutional monarchy
Usurpers steal the power as opposed to anarchy where every one has power & democracy is organized mob rule
communism-- socialism –fascism –freedom
Communism = government either owns or totally controls businesses
Socialism = government lets you own your business but dictates to some extent you how you will run it
Fascism = government cajoles bribes then dictates to you how you will run your business
Freedom (capitalism) = run your business any way you want with out violating anybodies God given rights or violating a contract
AUTHORITY \ people tell the government what to do--God gives authority to gover .Government tells the people what to do
Or another way to look at authority
AUTHORITY \children have authority over parents ……………………..parents have authority over children
In a democracy we tell the government what kind of laws we want (currently homosexual marriage)
In a constitutional monarchy God gives the laws
FAITH \ Atheism – polytheism – monotheism
You are your own god – you have the wrong god(S) – Christian (no middle ground)
pro abortion – pro choice – pro life
for murder – don’t really care – pro life against the murder of the innocent
The opposite of indifference is love
The opposite of hate is commitment
The opposite of despite is concern
Disinterest, is give me my beer don’t want to hear it, not interested
Could a democracy in a Sodom like place ever become a good government without outside influence?
Usurpers steal the power as opposed to anarchy where every one has power & democracy is organized mob rule
communism-- socialism –fascism –freedom
Communism = government either owns or totally controls businesses
Socialism = government lets you own your business but dictates to some extent you how you will run it
Fascism = government cajoles bribes then dictates to you how you will run your business
Freedom (capitalism) = run your business any way you want with out violating anybodies God given rights or violating a contract
AUTHORITY \ people tell the government what to do--God gives authority to gover .Government tells the people what to do
Or another way to look at authority
AUTHORITY \children have authority over parents ……………………..parents have authority over children
In a democracy we tell the government what kind of laws we want (currently homosexual marriage)
In a constitutional monarchy God gives the laws
FAITH \ Atheism – polytheism – monotheism
You are your own god – you have the wrong god(S) – Christian (no middle ground)
pro abortion – pro choice – pro life
for murder – don’t really care – pro life against the murder of the innocent
The opposite of indifference is love
The opposite of hate is commitment
The opposite of despite is concern
Disinterest, is give me my beer don’t want to hear it, not interested
Could a democracy in a Sodom like place ever become a good government without outside influence?
"In a constitutional monarchy God gives the laws."
Isn't this true of any form of government, eventually? People get the leadership they deserve and the laws they deserve...I don't see how a constitutional dictatorship is somehow more righteous than a constitutional republic.
granite
Isn't this true of any form of government, eventually? People get the leadership they deserve and the laws they deserve...I don't see how a constitutional dictatorship is somehow more righteous than a constitutional republic.
granite
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Constitutional republic.
Is just a slower form of democracy.
Could a democracy in a Sodom like place ever become a good government without outside influence?
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I gather that you consider indifference to be worse than hate?
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yes.
Kings of Israel were constitutional monarchy
They had the laws given by God to rule with
As opposed to making up their own laws
Theocracy:
Government of a state by the immediate direction or administration of God; hence, the exercise of political authority by priests as representing the Deity.
The state thus governed, as the Hebrew commonwealth before it became a kingdom.
Is just a slower form of democracy.
Could a democracy in a Sodom like place ever become a good government without outside influence?
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I gather that you consider indifference to be worse than hate?
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yes.
Kings of Israel were constitutional monarchy
They had the laws given by God to rule with
As opposed to making up their own laws
Theocracy:
Government of a state by the immediate direction or administration of God; hence, the exercise of political authority by priests as representing the Deity.
The state thus governed, as the Hebrew commonwealth before it became a kingdom.
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Shadowx
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Liberalism
Liberals hit themselves in the head with a hammer and then wonder where the pain is coming from, then when they find out, what do they do? They sue the hammer manufacturer..:hammer:
Liberals keep shouting at God because of all the pain and suffering.
Most of it is directly caused by those who reject his ways.
So they are crying out for their own destruction..
Ps 9:15 The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken.
Ps 9:16 The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. :hammer:
Pr 5:22 His own iniquities shall take THE WICKED himself, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sins. :hammer:
"Soft determinism is conjured up by the determinist with a guilt complex"- Shadowx
TKO
Liberalism
Liberals hit themselves in the head with a hammer and then wonder where the pain is coming from, then when they find out, what do they do? They sue the hammer manufacturer..:hammer:
Liberals keep shouting at God because of all the pain and suffering.
Most of it is directly caused by those who reject his ways.
So they are crying out for their own destruction..
Ps 9:15 The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken.
Ps 9:16 The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. :hammer:
Pr 5:22 His own iniquities shall take THE WICKED himself, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sins. :hammer:
"Soft determinism is conjured up by the determinist with a guilt complex"- Shadowx
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