glassjester
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Ok.
The point stands. You can be offered something freely, and then lose it - or reject it.
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Ok.
The point stands. You can be offered something freely, and then lose it - or reject it.
glassjester
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Are you saying it would be logically impossible for him to be lost again?
logically, no, mans logic does all kinds of things to force fit scripture into their beliefs, Spiritually though, yes, it would impossible for one actually saved, to be lost again, it would make God a liar.
Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
glassjester
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Yes, He is able to save forever.
And man is able to reject the gift.
No one goes to Heaven against their own will.
Right Divider
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God will not renege on His giving His free gift.
If you reject it, you never received it in the first place.
How can you "lose" eternal life?
Your RCC doctrine is a dirty, filthy lie.
Agreed. However, i don't believe that Calvinists called it osas, they call it perseverance of the saints.
glassjester
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ok doser
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glassjester
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Nope. Because God has declared that nothing impure will ever enter Heaven. Man, before entering Heaven, will be completely purified, purged of the stain of sin and any attachment to sin. A human being in Heaven simply will not will to sin.
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That's not what the Bible teaches.
Eph 2:4-10 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:4) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, (2:5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
(2:6) And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: (2:7) That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (2:10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
(2:6) And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: (2:7) That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (2:10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Paul tells us that we are ALREADY sitting in heavenly places, but you say that we might get kicked out. I'll stick with scripture.
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You made my ignore list in record time.
CALVINISM
I don't understand you Madists :chuckle:
yes, able to reject it but not once it has been received. We are not more powerful than God, He died for us, His love is endless. Why do you desire again to be in bondage to a law you couldnt keep and needed a Savior for?
Did He not do enough that you need to assist?
Nang
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A4T is correct. Calvinists believe saving grace is permanent.
OSAS implies salvation becomes automatic due to human decision made, but Calvists believe salvation is permanent and therefore eternal because it comes from the will and promise of eternal God.
Also, this permanent state of grace is the very providence and work of God.
God keeps and preserves those He loves unto eternal life . . that is His Covenant promise, which He cannot and will not fail to keep.
He will not lose a single soul for whom Jesus died. John 6:37-39
CALVINISM
I don't understand you Madists :chuckle:
And you are? How do you know hes mad if youre new?
CALVINISM
I don't understand you Madists :chuckle:
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glassjester
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glassjester
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It seems that High Cherub will not be able to answer.
Maybe Angel4Truth or Right Divider can.
Can someone believe they are saved, but not actually be saved?
Maybe Angel4Truth or Right Divider can.
Can someone believe they are saved, but not actually be saved?
glassjester
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High Cherub can answer
A person can believe what they want to believe
:idunno: what are you inquiring?
I am asking about someone that thinks they are saved. Then they realize they are not really saved. Could they get saved after that?
ok doser
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Was satan created impure?
glassjester
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Perhaps. He has free will. And he chose to reject God.
Anyway, I don't think Satan entered Heaven. He was created there, already. Right?