Calvinisms False Faith in an Unjust God

Robert Pate

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It is not humanly possible to have saving faith in a God that damns people to hell before they are born. What is saving Faith? Saving faith is also associated with love. Faith and love go together, they cannot be separated. It is not possible to have faith in someone without loving them also. Example, perhaps you are a Calvinist and have several children, none of your children profess faith in Christ and are living sinful lives. You must conclude that your children are not part of the elect and have not been predestinated to eternal life like yourself and are apparently part of the damned. Now, the question arises can you love and have faith in a God that has damned your children to an eternal hell? Of course you can't. It would not be humanly possible to love and have faith in a God that would do such a thing.

Job was the exception, but his wife was not. The scripture says concerning Job, "There is none like him on the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears God, and hates evil" Job 1:8. Job continued to love and have faith in God in spite of what God brought upon him. But then again Job was the exception. Job was being tested. Job's wife did not pass the test.

Saving faith is always faith in Christ and his Gospel. It is not possible to have faith in a Christ that cannot atone for the sins of the world, 1 John 2:2. If Jesus did not atone for the sins of the world, then Jesus is not Lord. If Jesus is not Lord, then no one can be saved. If Jesus did not defeat sin, death and the devil, God would not have accepted him into heaven and we would all be lost in our sins. Our salvation is dependent upon the work of Christ that was done in our name and on our behalf. It is imperative that we have faith in what Christ has accomplished for us. No one will be saved without it.
 

Robert Pate

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Calvinist have faith in predestination and Calvinism. This kind of faith does not save. The only kind of faith that saves is faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus for your salvation. Faith in a doctrine or a religion is like the man that built his house on sand, the winds came and the flood came and washed his house away.

In the judgment if God does not see you as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10, you will perish.

We become perfect and complete in Christ when we believe in Christ and his Gospel for our salvation. And not in a doctrine or a religion. The only thing that is going to stand in the judgment is the righteousness of Christ. You either have the righteousness of Christ or you don't. What it comes down to is what are you trusting in?
 

beloved57

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Calvinist have faith in predestination and Calvinism. This kind of faith does not save. The only kind of faith that saves is faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus for your salvation. Faith in a doctrine or a religion is like the man that built his house on sand, the winds came and the flood came and washed his house away.

In the judgment if God does not see you as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10, you will perish.

We become perfect and complete in Christ when we believe in Christ and his Gospel for our salvation. And not in a doctrine or a religion. The only thing that is going to stand in the judgment is the righteousness of Christ. You either have the righteousness of Christ or you don't. What it comes down to is what are you trusting in?

You teach that sinners Christ died for are going to perish in their sins anyways.You discount His Blood.
 

beloved57

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God is no respector of persons. This is why Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

pateism makes God Unjust, it makes Him punish with eternal damnation them Christ died for and made Righteous Rom 5:19. Its Unjust for God to punish the righteous !
 

Nanja

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pateism makes God Unjust, it makes Him punish with eternal damnation them Christ died for and made Righteous Rom 5:19. Its Unjust for God to punish the righteous !

Amen, Only Christ's Sheep are made Righteous by the Blood of Christ John 10:11,15.

But the goats Christ did not die for, shall go into everlasting punishment Mat. 25:32-33; 41-46!

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6days

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Robert Pate said:
We become perfect and complete in Christ when we believe in Christ and his Gospel for our salvation.
We believe in Christ for our salvation. I don't know if its profitable to cause dissension amongst believers over the 'how'. *Were you enlightened by God to believe. Or, was the decision totally yours? Or, is there middle ground? Like the blind man said *"One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!" John 9:25
 

Robert Pate

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We believe in Christ for our salvation. I don't know if its profitable to cause dissension amongst believers over the 'how'. *Were you enlightened by God to believe. Or, was the decision totally yours? Or, is there middle ground? Like the blind man said *"One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!" John 9:25

How a person believes that they are saved will determine whether or not they are saved.

The Bible makes it clear that salvation is by grace through faith. Any other way is false and means that they are not trusting in Christ for their salvation. They are trusting in something else.
 

beloved57

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How a person believes that they are saved will determine whether or not they are saved.

The Bible makes it clear that salvation is by grace through faith. Any other way is false and means that they are not trusting in Christ for their salvation. They are trusting in something else.

Those Christ died for are reconciled/saved while they are enemies Rom 5:10
 

Crucible

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It is not humanly possible to have saving faith in a God that damns people to hell before they are born.

Listen here, Sherlock.

God foreknew the outcome of every human being before creation. He knew and who would not damn their self, and preordained accordingly.

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~Incontrovertible fact~


So YOU LOSE. You all lost when Calvin came and put a brick to all yall's nonsense :thumb:
 

beloved57

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Wrong. Pate knows that we are saved by the blood of Christ -

Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Ephesians 1:7 KJV -

Pate teaches that those Christ died for, shed His Blood for, still wind up lost in their sins! And since you support him, you are guilty of teaching that same lie, which is dishonoring to the blood of Christ.
 

Robert Pate

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Pate teaches that those Christ died for, shed His Blood for, still wind up lost in their sins! And since you support him, you are guilty of teaching that same lie, which is dishonoring to the blood of Christ.

You are in denial of the Gospel and justification by faith.

In the Gospel Jesus atones for all sin, which includes everyone, Hebrews 2:9.

You have a lot of problems with the Bible.
 

Robert Pate

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Listen here, Sherlock.

God foreknew the outcome of every human being before creation. He knew and who would not damn their self, and preordained accordingly.

^
~Incontrovertible fact~


So YOU LOSE. You all lost when Calvin came and put a brick to all yall's nonsense :thumb:

Consider this. There is not one scripture about anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell.

The Bible does not support Calvinism. The words "believe" and "faith" appear in the Bible hundreds of times.

You are following an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous God that is not the God of the Bible.
 
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