I retract NOTHING and still stand in defense of Jesus Christ and his Gospel as our only means of salvation.
Calvinism and the word "WORLD"
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I retract NOTHING and still stand in defense of Jesus Christ and his Gospel as our only means of salvation.
If you stand before God in the judgment and profess your righteousness, you will disappear in a puff of smoke.
God's Truth
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You are trying to snake your way from what we are talking about.
It is never evil to obey God---but YOU say it is. So give the scripture that tells us of the evil time to obey God.
I never said that it is evil to obey God. What is evil is to think that you can.
Epoisses
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Christ's life, death and resurrection has actually in fact saved the whole world. This is not a possibility or a what if or a maybe. In Christ all people are justified or made righteous.
Adam's one sin condemned the whole world to a life of death where they are born with a fallen nature and are incapable in and of themselves of ever escaping it. Once again this is universal.
Scripture often presents these opposing views that seem impossible at face value. How could I be lost and saved at the same time? All people are lost in Adam but saved in Christ. This is where the spiritual warfare comes in where the flesh struggles against the Spirit. The flesh is my old Adamic nature that constantly resists the promptings of the Spirit or the Spiritual nature of Christ. This warfare takes place in every heart and unfortunately the flesh often wins and the Spirit is grieved.
Nang
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If this were so, it could not be reversed.
It would be evidenced.
But not all men prove to be righteous, so even empirical evidence proves your theory wrong.
Epoisses
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Go back to Romans 5 and follow the analogy. It's not that hard unless you have been trained under an incompetent teacher your whole life. That high priced Reformed education is high priced for a reason. The truth as it is in Jesus is free!
God's Truth
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You did say there was an evil time to obey God; and now you are trying to snake around it even more by say it is evil to say one can.
The law is the nature and character of God. To say that you can keep it and obey it is to bring God down to your level, which is that of a sinner, Romans 3:10.
Rom5:1,5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ...5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
"We have peace with God, who have been justified by faith." God's wrath abides on them.John3:36
"The love of God has been poured out into our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." John14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him...
Rom5:18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
By Adam's offense, judgment came to all men in Adam, and so all die and deserve spiritual death. By Jesus act on the cross, the free gift came to all men in Christ, resulting in justification of life. For by Adam’s disobedience, many were made sinners, so also by Jesus’ obedience, many will be made righteous.
You have thus far completely failed to show how justification of life by which God declares His people to be righteous, is ever applied in the Bible to unbelievers who deny His Son. Therefore, it can only logically be true of those who are in Christ. You have to read the Greek word "pas" in context or you wind up teaching that 1 Timothy 6:10 means that King David committed adultery because he loved money.
From our perspective, it *seems* like every human being has 2 possible destinies. But if the Bible is true and God declares the end from the beginning and He knows His sheep by name, such that Jesus can refuse to pray for some and yet anticipate the belief of others, then you will continue to volunteer to stand with the wicked to mock God:
Psa73:11 And they say, “How does God know? And is there knowledge in the Most High?” 12Behold, these are the ungodly...
You are Gospel illiterate. You don't have a clue as to how God justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles a world of lost sinners unto himself. 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. You don't know and you don't want to know.
Epoisses
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The theory of evolution has destroyed the beautiful truth of Romans 5 and the 2nd Adam. Charles Darwin the ambassador of Satan to destroy faith and hope in the redeemer of life.
God's Truth
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You sound unstable. There is no such teachings from God to say what you just did.
Part of obeying is confessing and repenting when you sin.
Since you like to use that scripture, and misuse it, why don't you prove it that you know what it means and tell me what scripture Paul is using when he said that.
beloved57
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You teach that sinners Christ died for and saved, reconciled to God by His Death, are still lost! That's unbelief and denial of the Saving death of Christ!
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You have rejected Christ and his Gospel and have chosen to believe the words of a heretic.
beloved57
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You have rejected the Gospel, you don't even believe that Christ death alone saved sinners He died for!
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I believe the Bible. The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. To not believe this is to declare that Jesus is NOT Lord. To believe that Jesus is NOT Lord is to condemn yourself to hell, John 8:24.
beloved57
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You teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost! You don't believe that Christ death alone saved sinners He died for, that is unbelief and denial of the Gospel.
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beloved57
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You don't believe the scripture! You believe in your darkened imagination.
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You are in darkness and need to come to the light, John 3:19.