By Nature Children of Wrath as others !

beloved57

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The Elect , even by nature are children of wrath as others [non elect] they nevertheless shall be distinguished from the others, in that they shall be quickened by the Spirit out of being dead in trespasses and sins, and given spiritual eyes and ears to see and hear, and given Faith in Jesus Christ their Saviour Phil 1:29, and they shall live by the Faith of the Son of God Gal 2:20.
 

Nanja

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The Elect , even by nature are children of wrath as others [non elect] they nevertheless shall be distinguished from the others, in that they shall be quickened by the Spirit out of being dead in trespasses and sins, and given spiritual eyes and ears to see and hear, and given Faith in Jesus Christ their Saviour Phil 1:29, and they shall live by the Faith of the Son of God Gal 2:20.
The Elect are distinguished from all others also by the Spirit giving them a Saving Testimony / Spiritual Knowledge of it 2 Thess. 2:13.
 

beloved57

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John Brine in his treatise on defending the doctrine of eternal Justification stated this as a response to an opposer against the blessed doctrine who said:

Objection 8. "Those who are objects of God's wrath, cannot be justified at the time they are so. All the elect are objects of God's displeasure and wrath, before conversion, is evident from these words: "And were by nature children of wrath, even as others" (Eph. 2:3). Therefore they are not justified before they believe.

Brine stated in response:

I answer, that they are children full of wrath, or enmity against God, whilst in unbelief: and in that sense they may be called children of wrath, as they are of disobedience. It is therefore true of them in an active sense. Farther, I grant that they are also children of wrath in a passive sense, or that they are under a sentence of condemnation by the law before regeneration. Zanchius well observed, in his excellent book De Natura Dei, that the wrath of God is to be taken in different senses: "First, it signifies the certain and most just will, and decree of God, to avenge or punish the injuries done to Himself and His church; thus with John 3:36. He that believeth not on the Son, the wrath of God abideth on him: that is, just vengeance against him is confirmed by the decree of God." The elect are not objects of God's wrath in this sense, but "are vessels of mercy, which God has afore prepared to glory" (Rom. 9:23).

Secondly, it intends the threatenings of punishment
. Lastly, it imports the effects of wrath, or penalties, and the avenging of injuries." Book 4, c. 6, p. 407. Now the elect are secured from the punishment due to their sins, by God's decree; for "they are not appointed to wrath, but to obtain salvation by Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:9): and also by Christ's satisfaction, "who has made peace for them by the blood of his cross" (Col. 1:20). Therefore it is only in the second sense that they are children of wrath; which is perfectly consistent with their interest in God's love and delight, as they are in, and members of Christ, and with their complete Justification in Him, their federal head. The law doth not consider men as elect, or non-elect, but as transgressors; and, as such, condemns them. But as God put the elect into Christ, or united them to Him in eternal election, He views and considers them in Him, and so justifies them, and takes infinite pleasure in their persons as members of the Mediator, in whom He always had the fullest satisfaction and delight; though they are under a sentence of condemnation by the law, as violators of it while in unbelief.
 

Hoping

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Exactly Brother ! The Elect of God, those Chosen in Christ Eph. 1:4, are born by nature as others are, worthy of wrath, but that doesn't mean they were born condemned or being charged with any sin, or under God's wrath at any time as others are, simply because God's wrath for them has already been appeased / spent on Christ in their behalf, and His Wrath is 100% satisfied for them by Christ's Blood Rom. 5:10.
It doesn't mean they have to stay that way either...thanks be to God.
The converted get a new, divine, nature at their rebirth.
 

beloved57

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Even though Gods elect are born into this world as " by nature children of wrath as others" Yet they were not ever appointed to wrath as others which is the obvious case of these 1 Thess 5:9

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

That would be alluding to the vessels of wrath who God has appointed to wrath Rom 9:22

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

The word fitted here does have a shade of meaning of being appointed, as appointed to destruction, Gods wrath !
 
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