But now the righteousness of God without the ten commandments is manifested

Gurucam

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To become converted one must do nothing. By grace are ye saved...etc

If you are referring to the following. then you are corrupting the following:

Ephesians: 2 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast


The above does not mention 'conversion'. 'Conversion' on its own does not count for much. A converted person is not under grace of God. Conversion simply qualified one to be healed by Jesus. Only one who is 'healed' by Jesus is under grace of God.

Being 'healed' by Jesus is anchored in faith in Jesus. Faith is belief in thins 'not seen'. Therefore being 'healed' by Jesus is anchored on belief in the 'not seen' Spirit of Jesus who is also the Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Intercession.

To be 'converted' is passage of 'the dead' becoming awakened to/aware of his/her own heart/spirit. This is a prerequisite because communion with the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession is achieved only through one's own, no longer waxed gross (covered over), heart/spirit.

To be 'converted' and the techniques for being 'converted' and being healed by Jesus, are the keys to or the mysteries of, God's kingdom of heaven.

The revelation says:

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


The above says, "lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted"

The words "they should" suggest that it is within their control 'to see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart', and so be converted.

The words 'they should' suggest that it is incumbent on them to see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart' and then they will be converted.

The keys to or the mysteries of, God's kingdom of heaven is as follows:
1. become converted (ie. awaken to one's own spirit)
2. discern the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession within one's own heart/spirit
3. be led into all of one's works (in rel time all the time) by precisely what this Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession has in mind for one to know. pray for, say and do (as discerned in real time all the time, within one's own heart/spirit), even if one has to transgress the ten commandments)

All of the above require works which one must do:

James; 2 KJV N.T.
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


When the Holy KJV N.T. say 'not of works', this always means only: not by the works of upholding the ten commandments.

This does not mean that humans must do 'no works' to become Christians.

Every thing in creation happens under grace of God. However not all humans are under or in line with grace of God. Some humans are under 'grace of man'.

Those who esteem use, invoke and/or promote the ten commandments are under grace of man. The ten commandments are the laws of a man. Fact is, Moses gave those laws. Grace and truth came only with Jesus.

John: 1 King James Version (KJV)
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Jesus came to introduce a system which will enable one to be under grace of God and access and serve truth and the Will/Spirit of God.

This system of being under grace of God and serving truth and the Will/Spirit of God is a total free gift. It exist within the matrix of creation and available to everyone freely.

'The dead' cannot access and embrace this free gift. It is incumbent on 'the dead' to become 'converted'. Then access the Spirit of Jesus within his/her own heart/spirit. Then be led into all of one's works by precisely what this Spirit has mind for one to know, pray for say and do, even if one has to transgress the ten commandments.

The above is how one comes on to the free gifts that are truth, grace of God and a life in God's kingdom of heaven here on earth and in the spirit realm.

'The dead' who do not become converted and/or healed by Jesus stay with their dead physical body when they die physically. Then they are buried together with their dead physical bodies inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter. The dead have no chance of going to (inheriting) heaven and they do not.

The keys or mysteries of God's kingdom of heaven are the straight gate and narrow way which only a few is prophesied to find:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


'and few there be that find it' suggest that it is incumbent on humans to find this straight gate and narrow way.

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.


Clearly 'seeking to find' and 'knocking for it to be opened' are works which one must do.

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


'Doing the will of my Father which is in heaven' is works. It is incumbent on each human to do what it takes to know and do the real time of will of the living Father who is alive in heaven.

The ten commandments are not the laws or will of God. One is not under grace of God and do not inherit God's kingdom of heaven by esteeming, using, invoking and/or promoting the ten commandments. Those are dead works.

Only by being led by the Spirit of Jesus, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit, (even if one has to transgress the ten commandments) can one do the actual real time will of the living God.

It is incumbent on each person do do what is necessary to achieve communion with the Spirit of Jesus through his or her own heart/spirit and be led by this Spirit, if he wants the free gift of grace, truth and delivery to God's kingdom of heaven.

These free gift came with Jesus and through Jesus . . . actually through the Spirit of Jesus. One has to 'follow Jesus' authentically, in order to come into inheritance of these free gifts.

There is no revelation which say that to be converted is a free or other, gift. To be converted is not to come under grace of God. Therefore, to be converted is not related to 'by grace are ye saved through faith'.

Even achieving live personal communion with the Spirit of Jesus trough one's own heart/spirit is not yet to be under grace of God or to be saved. Therefore this is also not related to 'by grace are ye saved through faith'.

Therefore "By grace are ye saved...etc." does not apply to the above preliminary passages.

Ephesians: 2 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


The statement, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" was qualified by "Not of works, lest any man should boast".

The message above was intended to be deliberately contained as follows: For you are saved by grace. However grace comes through faith in the Spirit of Jesus and not by esteeming, using invoking and/or promoting the ten commandments.

Even the act of having Faith in the Spirit of Jesus is works. This is not a free gift. This is the path to achieving Grace. Then grace saves one. Salvation is the gift of God, that is earned by Grace and not, at all, by esteeming, using, invoking and/or promoting the ten commandments.

Before the advent of Christianity 2000 odd years ago Abraham people believed that 'the works' of esteeming using, invoking and/or promoting the ten commandments were a path to righteousness of God.

These laws were found to on to death (spiritual death) and eventual burial inside the earth, in hell with Satan.

Therefore the ideas of doing the works of of esteeming using, invoking and/or promoting the ten commandments as a path to righteousness of God was totally done away with for those who follow Jesus.

Therefore any where, in the Holy KJV N.T., that 'not of works' appear, it does not apply to all works. It applies only to the works of esteeming using, invoking and/or promoting the ten commandments as a path to righteousness of God

A billion strong traditional Christians seem comfortable to do nothing or to simply repeat slogans and expect good fortune.

No were in the Holy KJV N.T. does it say that one must do no works, to achieve grace of God. The Holy KJV N.T. say only that, under the Christians system, one must not do the works of esteeming, using, invoking and/or promoting the ten commandments.

The Holy KJV N.T. say, one is saved by grace which come trough faith. Faith is belief in things 'not seen'. We are also told that now the Lord is the 'not seen' Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession.

Therefore one is saved through faith. Faith come through belief in the Lord who is the 'not seen' Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession.
 
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Gurucam

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Truster said:
"To become converted one must do nothing. By grace are ye saved...etc"


Ephesians: 2 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast


The above says that one is saved by Grace. And grace comes through faith. And this is not achieved by the works of esteeming, using, upholding, invoking and/or promoting the ten commandments.

The above does not mention 'conversion'. Conversion is mention in the following:

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


'Conversion' on its own does not count for much. A converted person is not under grace of God. Conversion simply qualifies one to be healed by Jesus.

Only one who is 'healed' by Jesus is under grace of God.

Being 'healed' by Jesus (and therefore coming onto grace of God) is anchored in 'faith'. 'Faith' is belief in things 'not seen'. Therefore being 'healed' by Jesus (and therefore coming onto grace of God) is anchored on belief in the 'not seen' Spirit of Jesus who is also the Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Intercession.

To be 'converted' is the passage through which 'the dead' becomes awakened to/aware of his own heart/spirit. This is a prerequisite to becoming 'healed by Jesus. This is so, because communion with the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession is achieved only through one's own, no longer waxed gross (covered over), heart/spirit.

Indeed, one has to search one's own heart/spirit to discern the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession who resides within one's own heart/spirit.

Ephesians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession) also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession) itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession), because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


'The dead who bury their dead' defines one who is not awakened to/aware of his own heart/spirit. 'The dead' means 'dead to one's own heart/spirit', i.e. 'spiritually dead'.

'Conversion' is simply the act of 'the dead' awakening to/becoming aware of, his own heart/spirit. This is the passage through which 'the dead' cease being 'the dead' by becoming spiritually aware.

This is simply a passage. A preliminary prerequisite to move on to the next step of discerning the Spirit of Jesus within one's own heart/spirit.

'Conversion' does not mean that one is a Christian. 'Conversion' simply changes one from being the dead who bury their dead' to one who can 'follow Jesus':

Matthew: 8 King James Version (KJV)
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


'Conversion' simply enables one to 'follow Jesus'. There is only one way to 'follow Jesus. This require one to actually commune with and actually know Jesus. These are the steps:

1. One must recognize that, now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession.

2. One must recognize that the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession can be discerned, known and followed only by searching each of our own hearts/spirits.

Having recognize and accept the above, then one must go through the following passages, in order to achieve communion with the Spirit of Jesus and be led by the Spirit of Jesus:

1. One must first be 'converted'. That is, the dead (who bury their dead) must become awakened to/aware of his/her own spirit.

2. After conversion one must achieve communion with the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession through one's own heart/spirit.

3. Then one must be led unconditionally into all of one's works by precisely what this Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discern within one's own heart/spirit, even if one had to transgress the ten commandments.

4. Then one is under grace of God and is a Christian. One comes onto Grace of God by having faith in the Spirit of Jesus, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit. The expression of faith in the Spirit of Jesus is to be led unconditionally, into one's works by precisely what this Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit, even if one has to transgress the ten commandments.

There is no other path to Grace of God and becoming Christian. One has to achieve the above passages.

'Grace though faith' is a Gift. However one must do the above works to achieve communion with the Spirit of Jesus and then have faith in the Spirit of Jesus so as to be led, (unconditionally) into all of one's works by precisely what this Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discern within one's own heart/spirit, even if one had to transgress the ten commandments. Then the gift of Grace and Christianity/Sainthood comes to one.

The above is the only passage to Grace of God/Christianity/Sainthood. The Catholic idea of Sainthood is foolishness.

The Catholic church is comprised only of the the dead who bury their dead inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter. The spirits of those people are not saved. That is, they are not 'converted' in their current life times.

The people in the Catholic church die (i.e. physically) as 'the dead' (i.e. the spiritually dead). Then they are buried, together with their dead physical bodies, by their peers, inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter, in the hope that Jesus will return in a human physical body, in some still to come day, to shout out to them to rise out their graves.

Therefore have no doubt. Catholics, Popes and all others in that church are the dead who bury their dead. Those who have physically died are all buried inside the earth in hell with Satan/Peter and they are still there. None are with the Father in spirit heaven.

The people in the Catholic church are 'the dead who bury their dead'. They are not the ones who follow Jesus.

The people in the Catholic church cannot be and do not become, under grace of God/Christians/Saints. They remain 'the dead' for all their lives and then they are 'the dead who bury their dead inside the earth in hell with Satan/Peter'. Please do not be fooled.

Of course those who follow Jesus, comes under grace of God, Christians and Saints in their current life time.

Then, when they physically die, they are not buried, together with their dead physical bodies, inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter. Instead, when they die physically, they are aware of their spirit bodies (they are not 'the dead') and they separate out of their dead physical bodies, clad only in their spirit bodies.

Then they rise to spirit heaven, in three day, clad only in their spirit bodies, to be like angels in heaven. They go to the mansion in God's house which Jesus went ahead to prepare for those who follow Him.

Notice that, back then, only Paul had live direct communion with the Spirit of Jesus. This was well after Jesus had risen permanently, clad only in His Spirit body, to his throne of glory in God's kingdom in the spirit realm. This is how the chosen few Christians know Jesus.
 
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Gurucam

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One comes onto Grace of God by having faith in the Spirit of Jesus, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit. The expression of faith in the Spirit of Jesus is to be led unconditionally, into one's works by precisely what this Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit, even if one has to transgress the ten commandments.

One must have faith in the Spirit of Jesus because what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do inevitably require one to transgress the ten commandment and other conventions.

Faith in the Spirit of Jesus would not be required if what the Spirit of Jesus requires one to know, say, pray for and do is commonly acceptable.

One is required to have faith/trust in the Spirit of Jesus (as discerned within one's own heart/spirit) because what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do would be against commonly or previously held ideas and beliefs.

It would take 'faith in the Spirit of Jesus' for one to follow the Spirit of Jesus because the Spirit of Jesus will require one to transgress the ten commandments.

If the Spirit of Jesus did not require one to transgress the ten commandments and/or other widely held conventions, then one will not need to have faith in the Spirit of Jesus in order to be led by the Spirit of Jesus.
 
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Gurucam

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Hebrews: 11 King James Version (KJV)
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:


The above says:
1. 'Faith' relates to things that are 'not seen'. 'Faith' relates to physical event and physical things on earth becoming/materializing from the 'not seen' (not physical) aspect of the creation.
2. Through faith (i.e. belief in 'not seen' aspect of the creation) the physical world was created and is sustained. More, precisely the above say that the physical world was made from and sustained by, the 'not seen' word of God.

The verses which follow the above, list and demonstrate many instances (examples) in which people were simply led unconventionally into what they physically desired, by 'faith in the not seen controller' of physical events on earth.

It is important to note that, one can initiate/make purely physical efforts/actions to achieve their physical/material desired events on earth.

However it is also possible to 'work with' the 'not seen' aspect of the creation to materialize physical events/desires on earth.

There are therefore two way of fulfilling one's physical desires on earth.

The above is a fundamental Christian truth.

The sad fact is, only a chosen few people were and are, able to materialize their physical desires on earth by 'working/operating through' the not seen aspect of the creation.

Most people are rooted only in making purely physical efforts to achieved their material desires.

Today we are fortunate. Our modern Quantum mechanics/physicists have brought scientific validation to the above fact which Jesus gave his physical life to bring to Abraham's people.

Our modern scientist have shown that there are two different sets of laws with determine and control the creation seemingly independently.

Large physical things, i.e. from things as small as atoms to larger things, are ruled by the laws of Newtonian physics.

However within the atom (at the sub-atomic level) another totally different set of laws rules things. These are the laws of Quantum mechanics. And these sub-atomic things (which are ruled by Quantum mechanics) also determine and control our physical state and physical lives. Sub- atomic things exist not physical. They exist as probability waves. (In humans these are describes as 'epi-genetic' factors).

The finest expression of our physical bodies are our genes. Our Genes are the blue print for making all cells in our physical bodies. Only recently our modern scientists have discovered that our gene expression is strong influenced and over ridden by certain things which they describe as 'epi-genetic' factors.

Essentially these 'epi-genetic' factors are the expressions of the inner (none physical) workings of our physical bodies. This is the sub-atomic level also called the Quantum field. This level operates according to Quantum mechanics. This level of our make-up operates according to the laws of Quantum mechanics. This relates to the inner depths of out genes.

On the other hand, the outward expression of our genes operates according to the laws of Newtonian physics.

In the Quantum field all things exist as waves of probabilities. Quantum physicists find that by simply observing or measuring these 'not physical' wave expressions (which are the essential fabric of the Quantum field), these waves (cease being waves and )collapse into material particles.

Also they find that these 'not physical' waves collapse into different physical particles when different people observe or measure them.

Fact is these 'not physical' 'waves of probabilities' seem to respond to the ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations of the particular person who observed or measure them.

More precisely, these 'not physical' 'waves of probabilities' collapse into the physical expression of the ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspiration of the specific person who observe or measure them.

Fact is these 'not physical' 'waves of probabilities' does not respond to arbitrary ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspiration of those who observe or measure them. They respond to the entanglement of these people who observe and/or measure them.

The 'not physical' 'waves of probabilities' responds to the individual person's entanglement at the individual quantum field within each of those person who observe or measure the field in these 'outside experiments.

Humans who observe or measure the 'outside' quantum 'not physical' wave field of probabilities, cause it to collapse into material things, only according their the ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspiration that are the fabric of their own individual quantum field.

The Quantum 'not physical' wave field that is outside one and which one observes or measures is the Holy Spirit. A person's personal quantum, 'not physical' wave field is his or her individual spirit.

The quantum filed that is observe out side of one (i.e. the Holy Spirit) responds only to the quantum 'not physical' wave field that is within one (i.e. one's own spirit).

A person's epi-genetic factors are the ideas, beliefs, interests, need, desires and aspiration that are the fabric of his own heart/spirit. One's own heart/spirit is created and sustained by one's love for or entanglement with, these particular set of ideas, beliefs, interests, need, desires and aspiration.

Each person can collapses the all pervading and larger 'outside' quantum field (which is the Holy Spirit) only according to the ideas, beliefs, interests, need, desires and aspiration that are the fabric of his own quantum field (which is his own individual spirit).

Therefore one's own individual quantum field which is one's own deeply seated ideas, beliefs, interests, needs desires and aspirations (i.e. at the level of one's own heart/spirit) determines what the 'big' quantum field which is the Holy Spirit, provides for him or her.

Also each person's epi-genetic factors over rides and corrupt the perfect gene expression when cells are re-materializing in his or her human physical bodies.

These epi-genetic factors are literally the ideas, beliefs, interests, need desires and aspirations of that one loves very dearly in one's own heart/spirit. A lot of these are foolish religious, 'scientific. and other Satanic (Newtonian) ideals and laws and other traditions which rule over humans on earth.

Our modern scientists have now confirmed that these 'epi-genetic' factors (which operated according to the laws of Quantum mechanics) are stronger than (and generally over-rule) our gene expression, which operate according to the laws of Newtonian physics.

Therefore it is now known in modern science that the laws of quantum mechanics are far more powerful than the laws of Newtonian physics.

This means that those who can function competently from the Quantum field will rule the world which was previously ruled by people who function from the laws of Newtonian physics.

Fact is all tradition of the past are anchor on Newtonian physics. The world has shifted into Quantum mechanical reality.

This is in line with a shift of the world wide reality from an O.T./Mosaic/ten commandments, lettered/physical oriented mooring to a N.T./spirit and Spirit/Christian/Jesus and spirit/intuitive mooring.

Currently the Old rulers and Old guards are changing, every where to give way to the New.

The world of sub-atomic particles are within every atom every where. The world of sub-atomic particles are within every atom in our physical DNA, physical cells and physical bodies, etc.

Indeed, just as the laws of Newtonian physical determine and control our physical states and lives, so too the laws of Quantum mechanics determine and control our physical states and physical lives.

However these two sets of laws are in competition to determine and control our physical states and physical lives.

When our physical states and physical lives are ruled by the laws of Newtonian physical, the world wide reality is in a Dark Age.

When, on the other hand, our physical states and physical lives are ruled by the laws of Quantum mechanics the world wide realities is in the Age of Enlightenment in Christ.

We are currently in the Age of Enlightenment in Christ. The Age has changes. This is evident by increased knowledge which has surfaced on earth among spiritually aware people, both in and out of the scientific community.

However only our theoretical Quantum physicists and other spiritually actualized (theoretical) people, were able to receive these increased knowledge which came because of a change of Age on the surface of earth:

Daniel: 12 King James Version (KJV)
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


On the other side of theoretical Quantum mechanics are practical physicists. Practical physicists are trying to physically validate these 'theoretical' laws of Quantum mechanics. They are physically oriented people. They have the serious potential of hastening the inevitable dispatch of themselves and other physically oriented people, like them, from the surface of earth.

Only those who are spiritually actualized and in possession of appropriate Gift of the Spirit can and will competently operate in, determine and control our physical realities on earth, by operating from the Quantum field under the laws of Quantum mechanics.

Spiritually aware people with Gifts of the Spirit are now rulers on the surface of earth.

. . . will continue.
 
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Gurucam

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John: 6 King James Version (KJV)
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


The above say "the flesh profiteth nothings".

The above also says:
1. "it is the spirit that quickens'
2. "the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

The question is what is the message in "the flesh profiteth nothings".

Flesh relates to one's physical body. And the ultimate thing about our human physical body (our flesh) is physical death.

The following revelations tells us how Jesus 'views' our human bodies, our physical life on earth and physical death:

Matthew: 16 King James Version (KJV)
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John: 12 King James Version (KJV)
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.


However Jesus' most clear idea about human physical life is that, one who seeks to preserve one's physical life instead of serving spirit and Spirit is Satan:

Matthew: 16 King James Version (KJV)
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


Jesus was always on the mission of His Father, God, who is the Holy Spirit. Jesus' agenda was to serve his own spirit in harmony serving Will/Spirit of God. In fact Jesus actions were all revealed to him through his own spirit.

In the above Jesus had just indicate to the disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and face denial, persecution, torture and physical death. This was Jesus spirit and Spirit agenda.

The sad fact is that, after being with Jesus for so long Peter had learn nothing. Peter did not realize that Jesus never serve the things of man (flesh and blood things, like preserving his physical life) before serving the things of God (spirit and Spirit ideas) which came to him through His Spirit.

This led Peter to suggest to Jesus that He abandon his God give spirit and Spirit mission and instead save his physical life by by-passing Jerusalem. This suggestion revealed to Jesus that Peter was Satan. And this also gave us the definition of Satan.

Satan is any human who value his physical life and value serving his physical life (his flesh) before serving his spirit and the Spirit.

Notice that Jesus did operate though his flesh body. And Jesus also serve his flesh by doing all physical things. However Jesus operated his physical body and function through his physical body according to the information and instruction which he received though his own spirit. And not from any intellectually synthesized (law oriented) ideas and/or only physical urging.

. . . this brings us to the ten commandments.

. . .will continue.
 
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Matthew: 16 King James Version (KJV)
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


Savoring the things of God is anchored on communion with God.

This requires one to know two things:

John: 4 King James Version (KJV)
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


The above confirms that
1. God is a Spirit (i.e. the Holy Spirit) and
2. No one comes onto God (who is the Holy Spirit) but by going through the Jesus.

One must achieve communion with this Spirit of Jesus within each of our own hearts/spirits

Then, in order to do the will of the living God, one must be led into all of one's works by precisely what this Spirit of Jesus has in mind for each of one to know, pray for, say and do as discerned within one's own heart/spirit.

What the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do is a perfect amalgam of 1.) the ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations that are the fabric of one's own heart/spirit and 2. the Will/Spirit of God.

Since 2000 odd years ago, the Lord is the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession who dwells in in each of our own heart/spirits.

However in order to have communion with and be led by the Spirit of Jesus, one must first be '[converted'. To be converted is the passage in which 'the dead' (the spiritually dead) awaken to/become aware of his/her own heart/spirit.

This leads us to the ten commandments. The Ten Commandments were found to make one 'the dead' (spiritually dead)

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

The above confirms that the 'the thou shall not covet' commandment (and by extension the ten commandments) 'was found to onto death'. The 'thou shall not covet' commandments (and by extension the ten commandments) makes one and keeps one 'the dead who bury their dead'

Matthew: 8 King James Version (KJV)
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


'The dead who bury their dead' cannot and do not 'follow Jesus'.

The sad fact is that a billion strong traditional Christians esteem use, invoke and/or promote the ten commandments. They are 'the dead'. They have not achieved the first preliminary hurdle on the passage way to being Christian. They cannot and do not, follow Jesus. They do not do the Will of God. They are not Christians.
 
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Since 2000 odd years ago the Lord Jesus is the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession (not the Holy Spirit). In this 'Spirit only' format, He is currently in spirit heaven, in God's kingdom of heaven 'seated' on the right side of the Holy Spirit.

From the above heavenly space and in that 'Spirit only' format, the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession has been (i.e. for the past 2000 odd years) ready willing and able to make intercession for Saints/Christians with the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

John: 16 King James Version (KJV)
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession) also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession) itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit (of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession), because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Ephesians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.


God is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit:

John 4 King James Version (KJV)
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


If one wants to do the Will of the living God who is the all pervading Holy Spirit one must go through Jesus (in His Spirit format):

John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


Currently Jesus is the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession. He is seated on the right side of the Holy Spirit on His throne of Glory, in God's kingdom in spirit heaven. Therefore if one wants to know and do the will of God (Who is the Holy Spirit). one has to go through Jesus who is currently the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession.

However 'the (spiritually) dead who bury their dead' are out of the above 'inner circle' (which is solely for spiritually aware people).

Fact is, things of God are Spirit things and these can be discerned only through one's own spirit/heart from the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession:

1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


The above say that one cannot receive/know/appreciate the things of God through the faculties of one's natural man/physical body. Things of God will seem foolishness for one who discern things only through the faculties of his physical body. Such a person is described as, 'the dead'. 'The dead' describes one who can discern things only through his natural man/physical body. 'The dead' describes one who is 'spiritually dead', i.e. dead to his own spirit/heart. This is a canal person or a child of the flesh or Satan.

Things of God are Spirit things and these can be discerned only thought the intuitive faculties of one's spirit body/inward man. Therefore 'the dead' cannot discern, know and/or appreciate things of God.

Therefore, in order for 'the dead' (the spiritually dead) to discern, know and/or appreciate the things of God (which are Spirit things) he/she must become 'converted', i.e. he/she must become awakened to/aware of his/her own heart/spirit.

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


However, after 'conversion', there is another requirement. One must be 'healed' by Jesus. this is anchored on going through Jesus to come onto God. After being 'converted' one can and must commune with the Spirit of Jesus though one's 'no longer waxed gross/covered over' heart/spirit in order to get get information and guidance from God through the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession.

Currently, Jesus is clad only in His Spirit body, seated on the right side of the Holy Spirit, in spirit heaven. From this heavenly space and in that spirit only form the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession is ready willing and able to make intercession for Saints/Christians with the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession makes intercession for each Saint/Christian according to two things: 1. the ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations which are the fabric of each of their own hearts/spirits and 2.the Will/Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit).

From the above intercession the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession comes up with precisely what each Saint/Christian must know, pray for, say and do.

What the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do is a perfect amalgam of groaning which one cannot utter and the Will/Spirit of God.

'Groaning which one cannot utter' is linked to serving one's spirit. 'Groaning which one cannot utter' is linked to the ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations which are the fabric of one's own heart/spirit.

One is 'become dead to' and 'delivered from' the 'thou shall not covet' commandment (and by extension the ten commandments) so that one can transgress the ten commandments so as to serve these ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspirations which are the fabric of one's own heart/spirit:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


In the above 'the law which one has 'become dead to' and 'delivered from' is the 'thou shall not covet' commandment (and by extension the ten commandments). One has 'become dead to' and 'delivered from' the 'thou shall not covet' commandment (and by extension the ten commandments) so that one can transgress these laws (i.e. so that one can covet etc.) so as to serve one's own spirit unconditionally.

'Groaning which cannot be uttered' refers to the above. The above confirms that that one has God given freedom, liberty, justification and instructions to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve one's spirit.

Fact is aspiring Christians and Christian were granted God given freedom, liberty, justification and instructions to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve their spirit for the following God given reason: The ideas beliefs, interests, need desires and aspiration which are the fabric of their hearts/spirit do not recognize or conform to, the ten commandments.

However it is God's Will/Spirit that aspiring Christian and Christians serve these ideas beliefs, interests, need desires and aspiration which are the fabric of their hearts/spirit, even if they have to transgress the ten commandments. And indeed 2000 odd years ago they were granted this God given freedom, liberty, justification and instruction to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve their spirits.

However for the past 2000 odd years, the world was ruled by Antichrist/Satanic/O.T./Mosaic/ten commandments people who deny aspiring Christians and Christian their God given freedom, liberty, justification and instructions to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve their spirit.

This led to the suppression of the ideas, beliefs, interests, needs, desires and aspiration which are the fabric of the hearts/spirits of aspiring Christians and Christians. These became groaning within their heart/spirit which they could not utter.

Recently the surface of earth came to the total time of the end of the past 2000 odd year old rule by Antichrist/Satanic/O.T./Mosaic/ten commandments people. The surface of earth is in the Age of Enlightenment in Christ.

Daniel: 12 King James Version (KJV)
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


Now these Antichrist/Satanic/O.T./Mosaic/ten commandments people and their Antichrist/Satanic/O.T./Mosaic/ten commandments Age, will be out-of-here 'for good' and the 2000 odd year old instruction for aspiring Christians and Christians will be the absolute/only law on the surface of earth

The 2000 odd year old instruction to aspiring Christians and Christian is to search their own hearts/spirit to discern precisely what the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do. Then be led into all of one's works by only this, even if one has to transgress the ten commandments.

When one is led into all of one's works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit, even if one has to transgress the ten commandments, one serve one's own spirit while soweth-ing to Spirit.

Serving one's spirit while sowth-ing to Spirit (in perfect harmony), even if one has to transgress the ten commandments are the total and only anchor/tenant of Christianity.

The above is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus:

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


The above is made possible when one is led into all of one's works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit, even if one has to transgress the ten commandments. This is to be 'healed' by Jesus.
 
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1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


The above says that one cannot receive/know/appreciate the things of God through the faculties of one's natural man/physical body. Things of God will seem foolishness for one who discern things only through the faculties of his physical body. Such a person is described as, 'the dead'.

'The dead' describes one who can discern things only through his natural man/physical body. 'The dead' describes one who is 'spiritually dead', i.e. dead to his own spirit/heart. This is a canal person or a child of the flesh or Satan. They are 'the dead who bury their dead'

The question is who are 'the dead who bury their dead?

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.


The above confirms that the 'the thou shall not covet' commandment (and by extension the ten commandments) 'was found to onto death'. The 'thou shall not covet' commandments (and by extension the ten commandments) makes one and keeps one 'the dead who bury their dead'

Matthew: 8 King James Version (KJV)
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


'The dead who bury their dead' cannot and do not 'follow Jesus'.

The sad fact is that a billion strong traditional Christians esteem use, invoke and/or promote the ten commandments. They are 'the dead'. They have not achieved the first preliminary hurdle on the passage way to being Christian. They cannot and do not, follow Jesus. They do not do the Will of God. They are not Christians.

The question is why did a billion strong traditional Christians abandon the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and instead embrace the ten commandments:

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


The answer is simple, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is a thing (a law) of God. However the ten commandments is a law of man. The ten commandments were given by Moses.

John: 1 King James Version (KJV)
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ


And indeed a billion strong traditional Christians find that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ which give one God given freedom, liberty, justification and instructions to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve one's own spirit to be foolishness.

Clearly a billion traditional Christians who share the same ideas cannot be the chosen few who found the straight gate and narrow way that leadeth to life eternal. A billion cannot be a few:

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Clearly therefore a billion strong traditional Christians are 'spiritually dead'. They operate only through the faculties of their natural man/physical bodies. Therefore they cannot discern, recognize and/or appreciate things of God, like the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (which makes one free from the ten commandments).

Indeed a billion strong traditional Christians cannot perceive that one can have God given freedom, liberty, justification and instructions to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve one's own spirit. They are simply spiritually dead. And indeed they are 'the dead who bury their dead'.

There are no fixed laws like the ten commandments is the spirit realm, in God's kingdom of heaven. The aim of both Jesus and God is to bring this reality that prevails in the spirit realm, in God's kingdom of heaven, to the surface of earth. This is how God's kingdom (like it is in heaven) will come to earth:

Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.


God's kingdom of heaven is anchored on transgressing the ten commandments (and all other similar religious laws) so as to serve one's own spirit in harmony with the Holy Spirit. This how it is in God's kingdom in spirit heaven and this is how it is in God's kingdom of heaven on the surface of earth.

One has to change one's entanglement with the ten commandments which are the laws of sin, death and delivery into the depths of earth, in hell, with Satan/Peter.

Instead, one has to become entangled with transgressing the ten commandments so as to serve one's own spirit in harmony with the Spirit of God. This is achieved when one is led into all of one's works by precisely and only what the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit, even if one has to transgress the ten commandments.

The above is the reality in God's kingdom of heaven, both, in the spirit realm and on the surface of earth. When one lives in the above manner, one is glorified by God.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Acts: 13 King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


Notice that 'the law' which one is 'become dead to' and 'delivered from', so that one can serve spirit, is the 'thou shall not covet' commandment (and by extension the ten commandments).

Also note that the 'thou shall not covet' commandment (and by extension the ten commandments), killeth. That is, the 'thou shall not covet' commandment (and by extension the ten commandments) commandments makes one and keeps one 'the dead who bury their dead.

Not only do the ten commandments makes one and keeps one 'the dead who bury their dead inside the earth, in hell with Satan/Peter'. Christians have God given freedom, liberty, justification and/or instructions to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve spirit/love.

It was prophesied that few will discern this spirit and Spirit based instruction, adopt and obey it.

Indeed the sad fact is that many are called but few chosen. This is so, because the very great majority (i.e. all but a few) of those called to be Christians, err because they do not know scriptures and the power of God. These erring masses who do not actually know scriptures, are the billion strong traditional Christians. They erroneously believe that the ten commandments are a part of Christianity.

These billion strong traditional Christians have been deceived by false prophets and unawares, false spying brethren, who are essentially O.T./Mosaic/ten commandment people (i.e. 'let the dead bury their dead' people). They are not N.T.spirit and Spirit/Christian/follow Jesus people:

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Mark: 12 King James Version (KJV)
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Matthew: 24 King James Version (KJV)
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.


The above is how O.T./Mosaic/ten commandments people came among aspiring Christians and Christians (who have God given freedom, liberty, justification and instructions to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve spirit).

These O.T./Mosaic/ten commandments people are the false prophets and unawares false spying brethren who deceived aspiring Christians and Christians. They came among aspiring Christians and Christians and return them to bondage under the ten commandments:

Galatians: 2 King James Version (KJV)
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:


These false prophets and unaware false spying brethren used every trick they could, to deny aspiring Christians and Christians their God given freedom, liberty, justification and instructions to transgress the ten commandments so as to serve spirit and Spirit.

These false prophets and unawares false spying brethren had they day for the past 2000 odd years. The time of the end of their reign on earth has ended.

Now everything has changed on the surface of earth. The Age of Enlightenment in Christ is at hand on the surface of earth. God's kingdom of heaven is finally on the surface of earth.

Time has run out for 'the dead' to become 'converted' and 'healed' by Jesus.

A very short and small window of opportunity exists for the last few to drop their entanglement with the O.T./Mosaic/ten commandments tradition and . . . to get on board (i.e. become entangled) with the N.T./spirit and Spirit/Christians/Jesus tradition, which is the reality in God's kingdom of heaven (both in the spirit realm and on earth) or one will be teleported out-of-here through 'black-hole-portals to hell, inside the earth, with Satan/Peter.

Matthew: 24 King James Version (KJV)
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 
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Traditional Christian churches are making a mockery of 'speaking in tongues'. Paul achieve communion with the Spirit of God through the Spirit of Jesus. In fact Paul got all his knowledge, instructions and guidance which related to God (the Holy Spirit) directly and individually from the Spirit of Jesus.

Paul did not deliver his Christian knowledge and guidance in the form of incoherent 'choked-up' sounds which only mad people make.

Galatians: 1 KJV N.T.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.


'Speaking in tongues' refer to knowings things intuitively from the Spirit of Jesus. And delivering these things which are essentially very foreign to (and cannot be appreciated by) the masses who are 'the dead who bury their dead'.

Clearly Paul was in direct, intuitive, personal communion with the Spirit of God, through the Spirit of Jesus. And certainly Paul did not speak in a language of 'dumb people' as obtain in some 'Pentecostal and other supposed Christian churches'.

Paul was able to relay his Christian knowledge, information and teaching which he got from the Spirit of God through the Spirit of Jesus in clear and very regular, ordinary and present day, language.

This speaking in 'mad people language' and claiming that that is speaking in tongues' seems to be the work of 'false prophets deceiving many'.

'Speaking in tongues are 'spiritually aware people' simply saying things (in common and coherent every day language) that they got from the Spirit of Jesus which people in the flesh ('the dead') cannot know, understand and/or appreciate. It is not the language that will be foreign. It is the information that is foreign, to the masses, who are 'the dead who bury their dead'.

1 Corinthians: 2 KJV N.T.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


One must have a related Gift of the Spirit in order to be able to receive knowledge and guidance from the Spirit of Jesus and then be able to present this knowledge and guidance in an acceptable and coherent intellectual manner, to others.

This Gift has two dimensions. One intuitive and the other intellectual. One must be able to get information and guidance directly and intuitively from the Spirit of Jesus (on the one hand) and the same person must also have the intellectual actualization to deliver this information and guidance coherently in current every day language. This is the basic minimum Gift that a Governor and/or teacher for the Age of Enlightenment in Christ, must posses.

Bet your bottom dollar that, those people who are parroting mad-person sounds in the name of 'speaking in tongues' all esteem the ten commandments which make them and keep them 'the dead'. They are absolutely far from having communion with the Spirit of Jesus and/or the Spirit of God. They are seriously spiritually dead people, simply being deceived by false prophets.

Speaking in tongues is also about speaking in disguise about one spirit and Spirit mission when one is among 'the dead'.

One's Christian/spirit and Spirit mission will require one to transgress the ten commandments. However this will not be understood or appreciated by 'the dead'. However this is the God given Christian way of life. This is why when Christians (the chosen few authentic ones) speak their Christian things (in the presence of 'the dead'), they 'speak in tongues'. They disguise their communication. However they communicate with and understand, each other.

Authentic Christians speak plainly only only in small groups of two or three among only themselves. However, at all events and all forums, Christians are coherent in familiar language to each other.

Only spiritually awaken/spiritually aware people can understand and appreciate truth. Only they are given to know truth.

Those who even in the least way, esteem, use, invoke and/or promote the ten commandments are 'the dead who bury their dead'. They are not given to know/get truth. They cannot speak in tongues. If such people claim to be able to speak in tonues, know that they are being deceived by false prophets.

Know that theirs are simply the 'feel-good' ranting of deluded people. At best it is an elementary transcendental experience . . . an entry level, temporal spiritual awakening.

Do not be caught in foolishness.

Do not reduce Jesus Christianity to a group of foolish people ranting and making sound like mad people.

Jesus Christianity is a highly/ultimately intuitive and intellectual way of life, which only truly wise people can access and live.

Jesus' Christianity is for the cream of the crop.

A billion strong foolish traditional Christians are simply corrupting Christianity so as to bring it in line with their unaware very simplistic state/ideas. They do not seek truth in the Holy KJV N.T.. Instead they corrupt/distort the Holy KJV N.T., so as to have it support their unawares deluded ideas.

Where indeed did they get the idea that issuing grunts (like mad people) is to 'speak in tongue'? Clearly some false prophets are deceiving them to keep them as perpetual loyal financial contributors to their church.

The following concert can give one a 'cleaner' and more profound spiritually awakening experience:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jT9MVJYYS0

Sit quietly and attentively and listen with open feeling.

Eventually you should actually waltz to this concert. You will have an actual transcendental (spirit awakening) experience without the illusion of 'speaking in tongues'
 
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