Why did you call Jesus dirt? I think you just wanted to say it, and were waiting for your chance.
Non-trinitarians irritates me.
If Jesus is not God, then Jesus is dirt, a man, a mortal. Jesus commanded people to worship Him. Jesus forgave people's sins. Only God can forgive people's sins. Of course, to some extent, Jesus gave Christians the duty of forgiving. But there's a difference between forgiving sins and dying for sins. Anyways, God never really talked to Jesus. Was Jesus just a prophet?
God spoke to prophets.
God would tell the prophets, "Thus said the Lord, tell my people this and that. If they don't turn from their sins (idolatry), then bad things will happen." The prophets would do what God would tell them to do. Jonah is the exception. Eventually, Jonah did as God asked.
But God didn't tell Jesus what to say:
Unless if they forgot to write down that part. Because when would God come down to tell Jesus what to say and do?
I wouldn't leave that part of the story out. Jesus was even talking to Rabbis when He was only twelve. John wrote that Jesus was the Word, that the Word is God, was there in the beginning, and that the Word became flesh.
Jesus ran away from His parents when He was twelve.
What possessed Him to do that? Running away has to be sin, unless if Jesus was God. Isaiah wrote that Jesus is going to be called Mighty God, Emmanuel (God with us). The wise men came to see a King. If Jesus was only a man then Jesus would be no King, unless if Jesus is God, who is the King of Kings.
The writer to Hebrews (possibly Paul) wrote:
That Jesus was greater than all the prophets, teachers, priests. Jesus even healed on the Sabbath. Thomas said that Jesus was God. Jesus said that He and God are one. The Old Testament says that God is one. The New Testament says that there is one God, one Savior, one church, one baptism. The burning bush told Moses that He was the Great I Am. Jesus told people He was the Great I Am. Jesus said He was coming back. Jesus never said He was an angel. Satan even tempts Jesus.
Satan quotes from Psalms:
And says that His angels would keep Jesus from dying, had Jesus jumped off this building or cliff. Jesus said, "Don't test the Lord your God." Satan originally was the worship leader in Heaven until Satan wanted to be worshipped. Finally, Satan had another opportunity to be worshipped. Satan demanded that Jesus worshipped him. Satan said that he would give Jesus the whole world if Jesus would worship him. Satan wouldn't give up his kingdom for anybody. That encounter was very unique. More unique then when Satan went to tempt Job. God had a lot to teach Job, even. God asked Job, "Where were you when I was making the Heavens and the earth. Job, please be careful when questioning me. Father knows best."
Jesus knew best, too.
Jesus calmed the seas while on the boat. Jesus walked on water. The disciples worshipped Jesus for that. God told people in the Old Testament to worship Him. Jesus told people in the New Testament, however, to worship Him, as in Jesus, not God, unless if they are in fact one and the same. Idolatry is when you worship more than just God. If Jesus allowed that, then Jesus would be an accessory to sin.
Jesus also died for our sins.
The Old Testament says that man can only die for their own sins. An infinite amount of sins cannot be paid for by a finite amount of humans, or even by one perfect one. Humans cannot be perfect in and of themselves. If Jesus was not perfect then Jesus could not be the perfect lamb without spots. Soteriology and theology depends on this kind of christology. If Jesus is not God, then Jesus is then only dirt.
But that is why I started a bunch of threads for Krystyna.
Krystyna is going around in circles with everybody else. Everybody is saying the same things over and over to each other in threads about non-trinitarianism, trinitarism, God, Jesus. I wanted to reinvent the wheel. The definition of insanity is in trying the same old things over and over, like the Indians. No offense or anything, but I wanted to try some new things and try opening people's minds up to the facts through the art of asking questions.
Jesus would ask questions.
Jesus would hide truth within parables.
That is why I talk in riddles. I also needed to get some points across. If Jesus is not God, then Jesus is only a liar, and not even worthy to be described as a second Adam (who was made of dirt, Genesis 2:7).
I was saying that this is what Krystyna, Oatmeal, and Only1God was saying.
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