IMJerusha
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There are most definitely absolutes in the art of baking. Salt out of the bread as well as the faith makes for blandness.
Are you Going to Heaven?
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There are most definitely absolutes in the art of baking. Salt out of the bread as well as the faith makes for blandness.
IMJerusha
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It's weird how people can see the allegory in one place but can't see it in another. While Yeshua stated that Heaven is within us, He didn't mean that Heaven is an esoteric peaceful condition of the mind but rather that the faith which we hold in our hearts, where God wrote His Law, is what determines our destination.
Yeshua said, "I go to prepare a place for you." Whether the place called Heaven is visible to us now or not, it is a tangible place that He went to and likened it to a mansion or insula. It is where God, our very real, tangible Creator lives. Our God is not an esoteric, peaceful condition of the mind. Our God is real, all powerful, ever present and all knowing. He walked and spoke with Adam. He spoke to Moses and the Prophets. He literally led His people out of bondage. The difference between you and I is faith.
At least, would you please quote to me where I can read that Jesus founded a new sect within Judaism? What I have is that even the Sect of the Nazarenes was organized by his Apostles on his behalf and not by Jesus himself and they chose Jerusalem for their headquarters. But hey, you might be right but for that you must quote your assertion as an evidence of what you say.
1 - No, it is in the same context of John 8. It is very clear that Jesus was born out of fornication. That was the answer given by Jews that did not like to hear Jesus calling them children of the devil. That's called Christian preconceived notion. You prefer to attack back without giving an honest answer.
2 - It just happens that, according to Jer. 31:30 and Ezek. 18:20 we have nothing to do with the sins of our fathers. No one has to die for the sins of another.
3 - I do not deny but, as I have said above, we have nothing to do with the sins of our fathers.
4 - It just happens that we were talking about the fornication in John 8:41 and you have poured on me several texts that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion.
5 - And the answer of the Jews who did not like to be called children of the devil was that Jesus was born out of fornication. (John 8:41) And their answer caused you to attack our fathers with sins that we have nothing to do with.
6 - And neither was Jesus as long as you insist on letting Christian preconceived notions cloud your understanding of the whole NT.
7 - And according to Christian preconceived notions, John 8:41 was written by mistake. Isn't that so? BTW, I wonder how the Catholic Canon of the NT allow John 8:41 to be there. The truth sometimes has its way to sneak around and be missed among the crowds.
Not that I don't agree with you because I do. What beats me is how a Christian exposes such a point of view.
Jerusha, do you know the difference between walking by faith and walking by sight? It is the same difference between the Christian faith and that of the Jew. Paul said that Christians walk by faith and not by sight. (II Cor. 5:7) To walk by faith is akin to walking in the dark. To walk by sight is to walk with understanding. Perhaps Paul wanted you to walk by faith and leave the understanding with him.
What kind of Law did God write in your heart, the Law of Moses? Jesus implied in his parable of the Richman and Lazarus that the only way to escape hell-fire is by listening to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31) Was that the Law God wrote in your heart?
When Yeshua said, "I go to prepare a place for you" where did he in your opinion go? I asked in my prior post if you believed Jesus to be a Jew. If you do, where in your opinion Jesus went, to heaven or to the grave? Use common sense and Logic to answer this question of mine, please. Thanks.
The story begins with Psalm 110:4.
Are you familiar enough with the Bible to connect the dots?
Yes. Originally, that Psalm was written by David thus: "And the Lord said to me..." Since that Psalm was among the Psalms selected to be chanted in the Temple by the Levites, it would have been awkward for them to sing, "The Lord said to me..." Therefore, the Psalm was amended to be read, "The Lord (God) said to my lord (David) sit at My right hand till I make of your enemies your footstool." You may see this in the JPS a Jewish publication of the Tanach. But for Christianity, the KJV adulterated the text to sign Jesus in. If the dead could know what's going on up here, believe me, Jesus would turn in the grave.
accept Jesus Christ Is your Lord AND Savior ! ! ! -atrol:
Jesus himself said that HaShem is One and the only Lord. (Mark 12:29) And as being savior is concern, this is according to whom, you or Paul? Alas! All the same to me.
Jamie, believe it or not, the only animosity toward Jesus in this place is perpetrated by those that deny Jesus' real Jewish identity as they promote Jesus as a Greek demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. I asked you if Jesus was a Jew and you have never answered my question. I wonder why. And now you are done with me! Why, because of my question? Okay I quit asking and I'll take it that you do not know. Is that okay?
SonOfCaleb
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Jesus was Jewish. He came from the line of Judah.
There we go! I hope Jamie has read this and is of the same opinion.
Now SOC, you have given me material for a new and paradoxical question. If Jesus was from the line of Judah, he could not be son of God because God is not from the Tribe of Judah. On the other hand, if he was the son of God, he could not be the Messiah because the Messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah. Now, it is your turn. How do you harmonize this paradox? Thanks to you in advance.
truthjourney
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No it's not very clear that Jesus was born out fornication. That sounds like an accusation. I guess you think all accusations against God's servants are true and there are examples of accusations in the scriptures. Speaking of preconceived notions, it sounds like you have some. And I wasn't attacking. In fact I think I was being more than civil after what you said about Jesus.
Oh! I am sorry TJ, I meant to say that's clear in the text, not in reality. If you ask me, Jesus was a legitimate son born out of the legal relationship between Joseph and Mary. But it is from John 8:41 that the version of the Roman soldier called Pantera came about.
SonOfCaleb
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There is no paradox as what you said makes no sense. Firstly Jesus is the SON OF God. NOT God.
Luke 3 shows Jesus genealogy. He came from & via the line of Judah hence why Jesus is called "The Lion that is of the tribe of Judah" in Revelation.
The OT tells us in multiple places and prophecy's that this "King of Israel" (Jesus) would be from the line of Judah. Micah 5:2:-
His genealogy is listed all there in Luke 3:23-38 or Matthew 1 take your pick.
As I expected, you do not know. I said "son of God" and not God. That's of your make perhaps to easy your answer but it only complicated further.
My question remains as you have not answered it.
SonOfCaleb
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I'm not entirely sure even you know what you mean as your logic is spurious. Here's what you said:-
Theres no if's, no but's. The scriptures tells us Jesus is the Son of God NOT God. Therefore your sentence:- "he could not be son of God because God" is fallacious. And thus your false premise has no basis in scripture. Therefore the paradox you seem to have conjured up seems to be largely a figment of your own imagination. As i provided you with two sources that show and prove Jesus lineage from Judah, as well as providing you with a passage from Micah that shows the Messiah would come via Judah which Jesus did as per Matthew & Luke.
Ben Masada
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I am not mad about any thing. I am just standing for the Faith of Jesus which was Judaism and the NT uses him as a Jew to incorporate Greek Mythology which is the main theme of his, Paul's gospel. (Acts 9:20)
Jesus was the son of Joseph with Mary. Jesus could be called son of God but as part of the Jewish People if you read Exod. 4:22,23. A son of God without a biological father is idolatry.