Clete, in other words I was right. You don't know what you are talking about.
Philetus: Euphythro fails to remember that the 'knowledge of good and evil' wasn't part of the original creation. It resulted from the fall, it wasn't the cause of it.
Clete: I don't think I follow you. It sounds interesting though!
Please elaborate.
Clete, in other words I was right. You don't know what you are talking about.
Yesterday, 02:44 PM
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Enyart's argument is the most covoluted argument I've seen on this delima.
Nonetheless, he might in some distorted way have some glimpse of truth.
Enyart would be better off defining good and evil first. Morality is derived through human reason. Even Enyart's distorted argument is through his "reason."
This moral consistency doesn't work. If one act of a person such as commiting theft is a sin then a hundred good acts does not erase the sin.
Enyart seems to be trying to say you have these three God heads of the trinity checking up on one another. This is similar to the Greek Gods where you had a heirarchy of Gods and even when they commited bad acts in the end it was all balanced out.
A description of God's nature argument is the same as the track record if we see God kills people in the Old Testament, then it is an evil act no matter if God does a hundred good acts later.
What Enyart should try to say is that as we do in just war, the killing is incidental, but the goal is to maintain justice or preserve the good.
So if you try to say God decides what is moral and leave human reason out of it, you slip into arbitrariness.
Open theism is the second horn and Enyart hasn't shown any way around it or realized that open theism opens the door to it.
Philetus, your whole statement mentions this is good and that is evil, so if you are using good and evil is your statement, you should be able to define it.
Otherwise whose to say that evil is actually or that the words have absolutely no meaning.
NOT!Philetus, your whole statement mentions this is good and that is evil, so if you are using good and evil is your statement, you should be able to define it.
Otherwise whose to say that evil is actually or that the words have absolutely no meaning.
Philetus,
Ignoring the moron in the group for the moment, and focusing instead on this idea you are putting forward about good and evil, would you say that the terms 'good' and 'evil' are equivalent to 'righteous' and 'unrighteous'?
If so then I have more questions but if not, then how would you say that they are different?
Butter?
(They always come back.)
Hmmm . . . new here . . .
Sorry to see Clete is still acting emotional and calling people ugly names in the attempt to spread his false teaching.
He is easily put down, if you folk will simply call his bluff.
Nang
Philetus,
Ignoring the moron in the group for the moment, and focusing instead on this idea you are putting forward about good and evil, would you say that the terms 'good' and 'evil' are equivalent to 'righteous' and 'unrighteous'?
If so then I have more questions but if not, then how would you say that they are different?
Do it then!
I call morons, morons and liars, liars. If you don't like it leave and don't come back.
Otherwise, put your butt in the sling your mouth likes to swing and "put me down", if you can.
I don't see how any of this is responsive to the question I asked.Words come up short but I think you are on to the real dilemma we face. To speak of God in terms of our own mess fails miserably.
Only God is ‘righteous’ and everything and everybody else (all creation) is measured accordingly from their own perspective (by judging others we only succeed in condemning ourselves). This, that, and the other isn’t evil because God declares it to be evil, it is only evil because it is out of balance, out of right relationship to/with God.
To speak of ‘good and evil’ is to speak not of God, but about our selves in and from a fallen state, i.e out of relationship.
The dilemma comes when in Christ Jesus, God satisfies God’s own righteousness, and by GRACE declares any and all who believe to be righteous. Our own righteousness remains as filthy rags, yet, God says we are in right relationship anyway.
Why do you call me good?
Real butter or the movie butter coconut oil? Aw, never mind, pour it on, lots please.
Hmmm . . . new here . . .
Sorry to see Clete is still acting emotional and calling people ugly names in the attempt to spread his false teaching.
He is easily put down, if you folk will simply call his bluff.
Nang