RobE
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1) When asked why Judas was not drawn by God you said, "Because he was the one to betray Jesus."
Here you said that God was the cause!
Your answer:No, I said that God didn't draw Judas. That's a far cry from God causing Judas to do anything.
No, you are saying that if Judas was 'drawn' that Judas wouldn't have betrayed Christ! You're saying that the grace given to Judas wasn't sufficient.
2) When asked if God was the cause you said, "I'm saying that SATAN made Judas betray Him."
Here you said that Satan was the cause!
Your Answer:"Made" in the sense of Satan's ability to influence, whatever that is.
You said, "....SATAN made Judas betray Him.". Made denotes complete influence as you know.
3) When asked how Jesus foreknew this you said, "I never said God was dumb. In fact, He's smart enough to bring about events in such a way that 11 of the 12 disciples become true to Him, and one of them, who was known from the beginning, betrays Him."
Here you said God arranged it(caused it)!
Your answer:Arrange is a far cry from cause. They are not synonyms.
Main Entry: foreordain
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: doom
Synonyms: destinate, destine, fate, foredoom, foretell, prearrange, predestine, predetermine, predict, preordain, reserve
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
I said: In our previous discussion you adamantly held to the notion there was absolutely NO cause for free will decisions!
You said: Determining cause, yes. There are obviously influences and tendencies that we all have.
I said: Do you see why I'm asking what your answer is?
You said: Because you're making synonyms and assumptions that I'm not making.
What assumptions and synonyms are you talking about?
Questioningly,
Rob
Here you said that God was the cause!
Your answer:No, I said that God didn't draw Judas. That's a far cry from God causing Judas to do anything.
No, you are saying that if Judas was 'drawn' that Judas wouldn't have betrayed Christ! You're saying that the grace given to Judas wasn't sufficient.
2) When asked if God was the cause you said, "I'm saying that SATAN made Judas betray Him."
Here you said that Satan was the cause!
Your Answer:"Made" in the sense of Satan's ability to influence, whatever that is.
You said, "....SATAN made Judas betray Him.". Made denotes complete influence as you know.
3) When asked how Jesus foreknew this you said, "I never said God was dumb. In fact, He's smart enough to bring about events in such a way that 11 of the 12 disciples become true to Him, and one of them, who was known from the beginning, betrays Him."
Here you said God arranged it(caused it)!
Your answer:Arrange is a far cry from cause. They are not synonyms.
Main Entry: foreordain
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: doom
Synonyms: destinate, destine, fate, foredoom, foretell, prearrange, predestine, predetermine, predict, preordain, reserve
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
I said: In our previous discussion you adamantly held to the notion there was absolutely NO cause for free will decisions!
You said: Determining cause, yes. There are obviously influences and tendencies that we all have.
I said: Do you see why I'm asking what your answer is?
You said: Because you're making synonyms and assumptions that I'm not making.
What assumptions and synonyms are you talking about?
Questioningly,
Rob
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