GFR7
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Only they won't let them sign it as when intoxicated, they're not responsible :madmad:
Ann Coulter: There is no campus rape crisis
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Apples and oranges. A drunk driver poses an active threat to everyone around them. A drunk co-ed in her dorm may (possibly) pose a danger to herself, but not to the public at large.
GFR7
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Ruining a college guy's life by sending him to prison after she said yes, and making him a registered sex offender for life - x thousands across the nation - is not a public threat?
Caledvwlch
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Why are you assuming that thousands of innocent guys are being sent up the river for this? Even the guilty ones aren't prosecuted.
GFR7
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Under the new rules, they will be. I was just reading an article about how mothers of sons are afraid to send them to college due to this. Not exactly a small fear, to think some girl saying yes, and then saying she was too drunk, is going to put a promising young man on the path to prison and the sex offenders' registry.
Given the reality of rampant rape on campus, no. It isn't. This simply doesn't happen. What does happen, in reality, is that women are raped with impunity and then schools actively work to cover up the crime.
genuineoriginal
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And pre-nups.
GFR7
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So which member of a gay couple has to give un-intoxicated consent?
iow, 45 percent of colleges reported less than 1 for all of 2012
yes indeed
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but you go ahead and keep wringing your hands
GFR7
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:thumb:
Seriously, what does this question have to do with...anything?
GFR7
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It has a lot to do with everything. Either persons must consent or not. Or are women a separate species?
Sure. And you shifted gears from women getting raped on campus to gay guys. What are you talking about?
GFR7
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Are women persons? Do persons have to be sober to consent to sex? Including men? Or do only women have to be? And then are they a subset of persons?
Yes, yes, yes. And then you get weird.
GFR7
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OK, they would need to be their own subset if this did not apply across the board. So when 2 gay men get together at college, they both have to be sober to get in bed? So that one of them will not bring rape charges against the other, as persons are wont to do? Or do only "women" do this?
annabenedetti
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She's vicious and callous to the extreme.
There is no "rape hysteria," so it's not a valid polar opposite.
Women who have been raped, groped or molested may not admit it to themselves, or when they do it may have taken time, even a long time. For various reasons: Misplaced blame, maybe. If only this, or that... Because so often society blames the victim. Or maybe they can't mentally process right away that the rapist or molester is someone they knew, or trusted, and they doubt themselves. There are a lot of factors, and shame on Coulter for saying that victims are trying to get attention. Pathetic.
Why are you having such a problem understanding the concept of consent? This word seems to completely baffle you guys.
GFR7
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On the contrary, you keep missing my point. Please answer my questions. If you cannot, there's a reason for it. It has to do with equality of persons in jurisprudence.
annabenedetti
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That's the problem: there are some guys out there who are baffled by the concept of consent. To them it means something else entirely.