The babies killed in the womb are certainly innocent of harming any person. Their only sin is original sin. Nonethless, their deaths are as martyr's because those whole kill them hate Jesus, so by shedding their blood they are worthy of baptism by blood.
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The babies killed in the womb are certainly innocent of harming any person. Their only sin is original sin. Nonethless, their deaths are as martyr's because those whole kill them hate Jesus, so by shedding their blood they are worthy of baptism by blood.
Christian Liberty
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I doubt that they are saved unless their parents happened to be believers per 1 Corinthians 7. Which makes this all the more tragic.
How is it possible that David entered the Temple and ate the bread that was unlawful for him to eat?
God is imminently logical and just and cannot let people go to hell because of events out of their control, like being killed as a child before being given the chance to choose Christ.
Christian Liberty
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There's a more fundamental logical divide here than just that. There's our view on God's predestination and man's "choice". Nobody "has the chance" to choose God, they are either regenerated by him or not. See John 6, John 10, Romans 9, etc.
That said, I agree that it is POSSIBLE that God will save those children and bring them to heaven. I don't see an obligation on his part, nor anything that would indicate that he is unjust if he does otherwise.
Without choice there is no sin.
The natural law teaches what is just and we apply it on a daily basis. God is the origin of just.
Attitudes that aborted children can't go to heaven through no fault on their own have allowed abortion to flourish in in the West causing the highest homicide rates the world has ever known. We are know by our fruits.
HisServant
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All are sinful without exception from the moment of conception... no ability to chose is necessary.
republicanchick
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no one supporting the right to life has ever called babies ABSOLUTELY innocent
get real
also, are u saying you are not pro life?
if so
figures totally
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republicanchick
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makes absolutely NO sense
the antichrist is NOT pro life
try again
Maybe America (many Americans are throwing JEsus and his commandmnets out the window) is the antichrist...
maybe China?
Unborn babies are completely innocent. That goes for babies as well.
What on earth could they possibly be guilty of?
republicanchick
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yeh, i could probably get a few thousand votes myself were i to proclaim myself a candidate
a few thousand votes taken away from someone who REALLY could win
Moron City...
the most populated city in the world, apparently
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republicanchick
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God gives everyone a chance to know and accept Jesus
Limbo may exist in one form or another. God knows
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HisServant
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I only hold people accountable who should know better (Christians)...
Asking the unsaved to uphold God's principles is bound to failure according to scripture.
republicanchick
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so murder should be legal just b/c some people believe in it?
geeze... i think i am just totally DONE with you...
Ignore sounds great
I have this policy i normally stick to: only discuss issues with coherent, logical people, if i can help it
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Christian Liberty
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You know, its interesting, I've also heard this the other way (That abortion is looked at as more OK when we say that babies who are killed automatically go to heaven.) Ultimately, its up to God and I don't know the answer. I'd like to believe they end up in heaven. But honestly, this doesn't matter when it comes to how awful abortion is. Babies, like everyone else, are born with original sin, and thus deserve God's wrath. However, we are forbidden to kill any who have not committed that which the Bible says is capitally punishable.
America and China are also antichrist, as are all pagan nations.
Seriously though, is a Muslim who cares for the unborn pro-Christ? No. John 14:6
That disqualifies most of your good looking Fox endorsed GOP candidates.
republicanchick
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yeh, sorry for the oversight. ISIS is possibly THE antichrist as well... or i should say THE antichirst could come from that group of demons
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republicanchick
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until i hear otherwise, i won't believe you
oh, that's right, i never beleive u anyway
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There is a bigger problem. An underlying problem which leads to abortions. It is a society that has forgotten all wisdom and kicks in the face of God. A society which has embraced illicit sexual behaviors outside of a dedicated marriage relationship. This is what leads to one type of crisis pregnancy, but the problem is even bigger.
Another is people with hard hearts. Ones who are selfish, foolish, stupid, lazy, hateful and violent toward other human beings and promise breakers. The only thing important to these is themselves. No qualms with abandonment, persecution and murder to get their way.
And the third cause of abortions are those people who do not know good from evil and lie about evil being good. This can be worldly friends, parents, other family members, famous role models, and 'talking heads' in the media. IOW spiritually blind lost souls.
Society can't solve all the problems of all these willing or ignorant sinners, but it can try to save the innocent helpless babes - who actually belong to God. Parents are just allowed to participate in raising his children. I don't think God is pleased with humanity as they murder HIS CHILDREN!
Another is people with hard hearts. Ones who are selfish, foolish, stupid, lazy, hateful and violent toward other human beings and promise breakers. The only thing important to these is themselves. No qualms with abandonment, persecution and murder to get their way.
And the third cause of abortions are those people who do not know good from evil and lie about evil being good. This can be worldly friends, parents, other family members, famous role models, and 'talking heads' in the media. IOW spiritually blind lost souls.
Society can't solve all the problems of all these willing or ignorant sinners, but it can try to save the innocent helpless babes - who actually belong to God. Parents are just allowed to participate in raising his children. I don't think God is pleased with humanity as they murder HIS CHILDREN!
Nothing makes me more upset than to hear someone say they are a Christian and then say they support the Democrat Party and hate Trump. Why can't they see that the Democrat Party is the champion of the murder of God's babies ... and the promoter of all sorts of sexual sin called an abomination by God. More and more examples of the lies and slander used by them to harm others... and let's not forget the bearing of false witness/testimony in the halls of Congress and Justice. How can they claim to be a Christian with Jesus as their Lord???