Advice for Kim in Kentucky

[keypurr]

Advice for Kim in Kentucky

yes, you should



but it won't be just





such is life in this veil of tears

I agree, so I pay them.

The Law is the Law and needs to be obeyed. No matter what one person thinks or believes, they are not above the Law.

She deserves to be in jail until she follows the Law she swore to uphold.
She needs to be removed from her office.

 

[ok doser]

nope

she needs to remain in jail until the American citizens who elected her to her office choose to remove her from that office or rise up en masse and wage war on the federal court system that seeks to destroy their autonomy

I'll be glad to send them money for ammo :thumb:

 

[ok doser]

She deserves to be in jail until she follows the Law she swore to uphold.

and just so we understand what we're talking about here,

there is man's law

and there is God's Law

in this case, two very different things


she is upholding God's Law

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

I agree, so I pay them.

The Law is the Law and needs to be obeyed. No matter what one person thinks or believes, they are not above the Law.

She deserves to be in jail until she follows the Law she swore to uphold.
She needs to be removed from her office.

She swore to uphold the Constitution,maybe you should read it.

 

[ok doser]

now, now, be nice

keypurr may be confused, but his heart is in the right place

 

[Interplanner]

She swore to uphold the Constitution,maybe you should read it.

Others could have signed; her concientious objector right should have been respected. It was the homosexuals who pressed until she did something. They imposed. She did not.

 

[keypurr]

She swore to uphold the Constitution,maybe you should read it.

It is her job to keep the Law of the land.

She needs to leave the office if she can not do that.

You need to learn to think.

 

[keypurr]

now, now, be nice

keypurr may be confused, but his heart is in the right place

Thank you doser, I try to reflect God's love.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Nice knee jerk reaction without reading the rest of the thread.

:flamer:

Nice presumption on your part but no dice. Your comments were puerile regardless.

:e4e:

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

It is her job to keep the Law of the land.

She needs to leave the office if she can not do that.

You need to learn to think.

The law of the land is the Constitution. :bang:

And if you'd read the rest of this thread you would have learned the supreme court does not get to pass laws.

Therefore Kim has not failed to uphold the law.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

What world do you live in?

:idunno:

Sex is almost a universal human behavior but I can point to the B in LGBT, the growing prominence of polysexuality and the longstanding prevalence of bigamy in many societies currently and throughout history to prove that you are simply, and demonstrably wrong.

Hisservant has pointed this out to you and your responses have been less than convincing.

And that's not the only thing you are clearly wrong about in this thread.


In the end, jailing someone because of their religious belief is a good thing how again?


She's an elected official. And she offered to allow the licenses to be issued insofar as her name did not appear on them. Judge Bunning (who is behaving like a fascist judicial tyrant) did not see this as a suitable compromise and unlawfully imprisoned her.


Her responsibility was to uphold KY law which actually contradicts the Supreme Court ruling. She is not being imprisoned for failure to follow her oath (which congressmen, our president, and federal court judges do all the time without being carted away in handcuffs), she is being unlawfully imprisoned for following the law as it read when she took the oath.

Secondly, her community has nothing to do with this. The Supreme Court took it upon itself to disregard the separation of powers inherent in the Constitution and wrote a law for all 50 states legalizing same sex marriage. Her community didn't decide this, 9 (actually 5 of the 9) Justices did.

Which speaks to your statement below:


What are you talking about!???

Democracy is not 9 people ruling a country, that's an oligarchy. Democracy would be allowing each state to decide the issue on the basis of the will of the people.

Kim Davis defied the oligarchs, and so she has become a political prisoner because she refuses to bend her will to the will of the Supreme Court oligarchy and its judicial Prefect, Judge Bunning (who is acting like a fascist judicial tyrant), who would not allow her to remove her name from the licenses. Until she consents to allow those licenses to be issued with her name on them the judge will keep her a political prisoner.

Judge Bunning should be impeached and publicly removed for his shameful disregard for constitutionally guaranteed rights. His actions are deplorable, he has torn the fabric of freedom of our country.

:first: Well said.

 

[Caino]

I understand the intention of the city clerk who has been jailed in Kentucky for not granting same sex marriage licenses. But we need to size up things here and take a 200 year look.

If anyone here at TOL knows how to get this message to her, I think we can save her some grief. I will be trying Huckabee's hashtag shortly.

In the mid 1800s there were evangelical pastors who preached against any state authority over marriage at all. They warned that it would lead to people with completely disparate views of life having control over who would and would not marry and divorce. Voila.

All we have from Genesis is the verb 'to cleve' or to join one's partner (from the other gender) and this is a belief of the church. But more exactly, it is a belief that can only be practiced by those with all the beliefs of Genesis: that God created this world and mankind; that this is a real space and time event, and that we exist in real space and time and history after it when we marry; that sin has come and created horrible situations if God's commands are neglected; that sex belongs only in a marriage.

To most of us (98.5% I think) it would seem completely obvious that these things are just as much foundational to our country as is the opening line of the Constitution about being endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights. But for now we have a culture which is trying to leverage anything it can against these beliefs. So the 1.5% is to be treated identically to the 98.5%. This will not change without a disaster that makes people take stock.

Therefore it is churches that need to practice marriage as Genesis sees it (so long as the particular church does) so that it is that community of people who are witnessing and validating it. The long view of the evangelical pastors of the 1800s is right. It is not something that should be practiced by the state.

Kim in Kentucky should resign on the basis of the realization of this, not try to continue in that confused context. If she makes her announcement on this basis, she won't be jeered at so much, and she will have the opportunity to validate the cluster or suite of concepts which reinforce marriage. A house divided cannot stand. "The house" used to be united on these things, but secularism has decided to attack it.

One of secularism's tactics is to ridicule one item by itself. Any discussion of marriage is not a one-item discussion, but is connected to the whole fabric of the Bible. One ABC news last night, this was shown to be true when the homosexual person retorted to Kim about God's judgement that he didn't think there was any. Exactly. But the same mentality of single-item thinking shows when an "evangelical" homosexual says that homosexuality is completely compatible with Christ's teaching. That's just more shredded fabric.

We are not trying to salvage one strand at a time. The only thing we have to say as Christians is that the whole fabric stands as one piece or else is not Christian, is not the Biblical message. Avoid those circumstances where this cannot be said. A marriage license clerk in a bezerk milieu is not one.

Marriage isn't a department of the church, it's a civil institution that was coopted by religion. Marriage existed long before the Hebrews wrote Genesis.

We don't go to the church to get a marriage license.

 

[HisServant]

You statists are terrible exegetes and terrible people...

Read the Old Testament, like any passage, lol....

The New Testament commands us to obey the secular authorities...

You just pick and chose what you want to do.

 

[Interplanner]

The New Testament commands us to obey the secular authorities...

You just pick and chose what you want to do.

Romans 13 refers to the office but not the person. That's why Paul appeals to Roman admins in Acts 26 to live righteously and self-controlled in the usual Christian meaning. Given the morals of Roman households then, he was saying a ton.

But he did not challenge the office; in fact, the purpose of Acts for him was to show that he was not part of the zealots of Judaism who were calling for war.