glassjester
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Is Abortion Ever Ok Under These Curcumstances?
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That emotional outburst seems to sum up your entire rhetorical gimmickry. So much for intellectual rigor. :idunno:
I don't have to accuse you of insincerity...you've freely offered post after post to the effect.
If you ever find the fortitude or ability to gather up those pieces and assemble an actual argument....ring me up, you know where to find me. :e4e:
glassjester
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Was I incorrect?
Don't you believe unborn children should be legally killed at will?
If you do not believe people should have the legal right to kill unborn children at will, then please say so. And even better, explain why.
No. I sincerely believe that it is wrong to kill babies.
What kind of evidence would you accept, that it should be illegal to kill babies?
Set out your argument(s).
glassjester
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We would have to establish a common starting point, first.
I've tried a couple of times. Like when I asked you why you believe murder should be illegal, or why you believe immoral abortions are immoral.
You refused to answer, though.
glassjester
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You know, in the spirit of serious discussion.
Common starting point: You think abortion is unequivocally and morally wrong; I believe the mother is morally correct in choosing abortion.
Dispense with the craven passivity and take an active stance against abortion.
Lay out your argument(s).
glassjester
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Man, that is not a common point, is it? That would be a difference, not a commonality.
glassjester
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I will try, I guess.
Is it wrong to deliberately end the life of a human being?
Is it wrong to deliberately end the life of a human being?
The differing views regarding abortion is not a common starting point for an abortion debate? :doh:
Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight!
That's not an argument, rather bumper sticker morality.
Flesh it out jester...do you know how?
glassjester
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Dude... what? I am asking you, if you believe it is wrong to deliberately end a human life.
Because, frankly, if you do not see a problem with that, then there's nothing to discuss. If you're cool with killing in general, then how could I convince you that killing babies is wrong?
I don't give one flip about your delicate moral sensibilities nor the personal innuendo against me. Stop being passive.....show me by force of reason why you believe the way you do!
glassjester
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It's morally wrong to deliberately and directly kill a human being.
Abortion is the deliberate and direct killing of a human being.
Therefore, abortion is morally wrong.
One of the main purposes of law is to protect human beings' right to life.
Therefore morally illicit killing of a human being must be prohibited by law.
Therefore abortion must be prohibited by law.
Seriously, if you want to actually debate abortion I don't expect a fleshed out argument on the fly (I've debated abortion for years).
As I told Eagle Wings: Either educate yourself (about abortion) or stand on the sidelines with your petty sign. Just don't ignorantly confuse one for the other.
Your choice. :e4e:
glassjester
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I tried anyway.
Ok, good start.
I'm challenging the premise that it is (unequivocally) morally wrong to kill a human being. What about in self-defense? Is this not an exception?
Likewise, IS abortion the direct killing of a human baby but rather the choice and right of the mother to refuse to sustain that life via her body..thus the fetus' life becomes indirectly forfeit?
We posted those at the same time.
glassjester
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Killing in self-defense wouldn't really be the deliberate killing of a human being. Meaning, the killing of a human being was not the intended purpose of the action. Defense was. Double effect.
No, because the purpose of abortion is the death of the unborn.
The woman doesn't seek an abortion just to become un-pregnant.
She also doesn't want the baby.
Therefore the killing is deliberate.
glassjester
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If death was not the intent, it wouldn't be an abortion, it would be a c-section.