Abolishing Christ's Work
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Abolishing Christ's Work
B'sd
Respect Elia.
But do you not know that Jesus commanded Love to God, love to self and Love to our neighbor?
In fact, that is the only thing He Commanded!
What Love is there in human attempts to be like God?
Ultimately the standards are too high and bread judgment and condemnation of ourselves and others.
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B'sd
Respect Elia.
But do you not know that Jesus commanded Love to God, love to self and Love to our neighbor?
In fact, that is the only thing He Commanded!
What Love is there in human attempts to be like God?
Ultimately the standards are too high and bread judgment and condemnation of ourselves and others.
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Epoisses
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God's law of love does stand forever. James called it the royal law
Indeed Epoisses!
Galatians 5:4
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
That is a scary verse. It makes pray for those imprissoned by the strong man that binds in slavery with the rope of stone.
Also, why ya gotta always be such a pain?
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But mixing the Royal Law with the Stone Law is like mixing oil and water.
B'sd
I challenge you to interpret this scripture that I am posting to you.
It is a puzzle for the carnally blind with Spiritual vision to solve.
It is a spiritual mystery.
Surely the heretical Yeshki can't stump you. [emoji3]
Mark 2:22
22 No one puts new wine into old [a]wineskins; otherwise the [fermenting] wine will [expand and] burst the skins, and the wine is lost as well as the wineskins. But new wine must be put into new wineskins.”
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Abolishing Christ's Work
Double Amen!!!!
James 2:8
8 If, however, you are [really] fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, if you have an unselfish concern for others and do things for their benefit]” you are doing well.
~ This is indeed our Kings Decree
You're still a pain in the tookas! [emoji33]
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Double Amen!!!!
James 2:8
8 If, however, you are [really] fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself [that is, if you have an unselfish concern for others and do things for their benefit]” you are doing well.
~ This is indeed our Kings Decree
You're still a pain in the tookas! [emoji33]
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The foundation of Christ is laid in the gospels.
Paul essentially spells out what Jesus taught in parable.
The fact that people miss it when Paul is shouting it blows my mind.
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Jamie, the old covenant was a challenge. To truly Love mankind, one has to Recognize that the judgment it bares is incompatible with the Loving Nature of God. Only God is righteous by its precepts.
It bares hostility when imbibed by us.
Look up the parable of the old and new wine skins.
Apply this logic to it and notice how rapidly it becomes clear
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Though many try to abolish Christ's work, I fully agree. Nothing can wash away the Blood of our Precious Slain Lamb.
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Matthew 5:17-19Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
Christ Fulfills the Law
17 “Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter[a] or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches people to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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The key is in fulfill and heaven and earth passing away.
He Fulfilled the law and the prophets.
Heaven and earth passed spiritually in His death and resurrection.
One note.....
I know you don't really like Yeshua like I do, but can I pass one word of wisdom to you?
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Ben Masada
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In our inheritance bestowed by Jesus! Would you care to explain what inheritance was bestowed by Jesus?
Ben Masada
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I agree with you because the only way to love our neighbors is not to do unto them what we would not like they did unto ourselves. That's called the Golden Rule, a lawful concept that covers the whole second part of the Decalogue.
Ben Masada
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If the Law has the power to condemn; by the same token, it has the power to save. Only that, that power must be exercised by ourselves.
Now, as bodily resurrection is concerned, it won't happened. Not through Jesus it won't. Jesus was an avid learner of the Scriptures to know that, the Tanach aka the Word of God is clear enough that once dead, no one will ever return from the grave. (II Samuel 12:23; Isaiah 26:14; Job 7:9)
The early church including Paul agreed that the Law of Moses was not for Gentiles. Why do you believe that it is for Gentiles?
Ben Masada
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What was the work of your Messiah, Nameless?
Luke 15:11-32
The Parable of the Lost Son
11*He also said: “A man had two sons. 12*The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the estate I have coming to me.’ So he distributed the assets[a] to them. 13*Not many days later, the younger son gathered together all he had and traveled to a distant country, where he squandered his estate in foolish living. 14*After he had spent everything, a severe famine struck that country, and he had nothing. 15*Then he went to work for[c] one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs. 16*He longed to eat his fill from[d] the carob pods[e] the pigs were eating, but no one would give him any. 17*When he came to his senses,[f] he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired hands have more than enough food, and here I am dying of hunger![g] 18*I’ll get up, go to my father, and say to him, Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight. 19*I’m no longer worthyto be called your son. Make me like one of your hired hands.’ 20*So he got up and went to his father. But while the son was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion. He ran, threw his arms around his neck,[h] and kissed him. 21*The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight. I’m no longer worthy to be called your son.’
22*“But the father told his slaves, ‘Quick! Bring out the best robe and put it on him; put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23*Then bring the fattened calf and slaughter it, and let’s celebrate with a feast,24*because this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found!’ So they began to celebrate.
25*“Now his older son was in the field; as he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26*So he summoned one of the servants and asked what these things meant. 27*‘Your brother is here,’ he told him, ‘and your father has slaughtered the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’[j]
28*“Then he became angry and didn’t want to go in. So his father came out and pleaded with him. 29*But he replied to his father, ‘Look, I have been slaving many years for you, and I have never disobeyed your orders, yet you never gave me a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30*But when this son of yours came, who has devoured your assets[k] with prostitutes, you slaughtered the fattened calf for him.’
31*“‘Son,’[l] he said to him, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32*But we had to celebrate and rejoice, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”
Luke 15:4
4*What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luke 18
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9*He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and looked down on everyone else: 10*“Two men went up to the temple complex to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11*The Pharisee took his stand[a] and was praying like this: ‘God, I thank You that I’m not like other people —greedy,unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12*I fast twice a week; I give a tenth[c] of everything I get.’
13*“But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even raise his eyes to heaven but kept striking his chest[d] and saying, ‘God, turn Your wrath from me[e]—a sinner!’ 14*I tell you, this one went down to his house justified rather than the other; because everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
John 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, “This is the work of God: that ye believe in Him whom He hath sent.”
Mark 3
20*Then He went home, and the crowd gathered again so that they were not even able to eat.[g] 21*When His family heard this, they set out to restrain Him, because they said, “He’s out of His mind.”
22*The scribes who had come down from Jerusalem said, “He has Beelzebul in Him!” and, “He drives out demons by the ruler of the demons!”
23*So He summoned them and spoke to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24*If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25*If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26*And if Satan rebels against himself and is divided, he cannot stand but is finished![h]
27*“On the other hand, no one can enter a strong man’s house and rob his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he will rob his house. 28*I assure you: People will be forgiven for all sins and whatever blasphemies they may blaspheme. 29*But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guiltyof an eternal sin”[j]— 30*because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
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Abolishing Christ's Work
That the blind and deaf to God, walking in the fear of their sin, might see and hear their Shepherds voice.
That they would see He loved them so much that He desires to forever spend eternity amongst them and would die in flesh amongst them, though His Spirit can never die. That He loves us so much that He joined His Perfect Spirit to our sinful flesh.
TO BE STILL, For THE LORD FIGHTS FOR US.
That we are more than slaves.
By His rich provision, we are His co-heirs.
That the slain lamb of Able given in faith and love is HIS desire.
Not the toil in the dust/flesh of Cain.
That He is the Cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night that can now dwell in us and instruct us how to love.
That He alone is good, Just and merciful. That He alone is our Savior.
That He would rather wear a crown of thorns out of Love, than a tyrants crown of glory.
That He is our Servant King of Love, as well as the mightiest warrior of all.
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That the blind and deaf to God, walking in the fear of their sin, might see and hear their Shepherds voice.
That they would see He loved them so much that He desires to forever spend eternity amongst them and would die in flesh amongst them, though His Spirit can never die. That He loves us so much that He joined His Perfect Spirit to our sinful flesh.
TO BE STILL, For THE LORD FIGHTS FOR US.
That we are more than slaves.
By His rich provision, we are His co-heirs.
That the slain lamb of Able given in faith and love is HIS desire.
Not the toil in the dust/flesh of Cain.
That He is the Cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night that can now dwell in us and instruct us how to love.
That He alone is good, Just and merciful. That He alone is our Savior.
That He would rather wear a crown of thorns out of Love, than a tyrants crown of glory.
That He is our Servant King of Love, as well as the mightiest warrior of all.
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csuguy
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Yes, you should keep the commandments - I'm not arguing against that fact. If you keep the commandments then yes you can live. But people are sinners; a truly righteous person is a rare thing. 99.999...% of people are going to break the commandments, and do so on a regular basis.
Once you have sinned, turning around and keeping the Law will not then justify you. You are always expected to keep the commandments. For example: you never steal. But then one day you do. You stop after that one time. Your obedience 99% of the time to not steal does not negate your sinful act that one time.
csuguy
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Wrong; there is no reason to assume that because the Law can condemn that it can therefore save. The Law teaches us right from wrong. This enables to do what is right. This also makes us accountable when we do wrong, condemning our sin completely since it was done in full knowledge that it was wrong. Knowing to do right, and doing right later does not negate your sin. There is nothing in the Law by itself that saves.
Jewish Theologians have taken different sides on the issue over the centuries (clearly - seeings as Jesus and his early followers were all jews), and the OT scriptures have support for an afterlife, resurrection from the dead, the judgement, and for the remaking of the heavens and earth. You like to pretend that you are the mouth piece for all Judaism, as if all Jews have always believed the exact same thing that you do - which is simply ridiculous.
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Bradley D
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I disagree. Although few will be saved, God will be the judge not nor anyone else.