A World in Danger - Japanese Ambassador Reaches Out

[elohiym]

The situation seems to be getting worse.

Most people aren't paying attention.

 

[meshak]

The situation seems to be getting worse.

Most people aren't paying attention.

The problems are too big to handle. And it will get worse and worse. I am glad I am a Christian. I know what to do when it comes to us.

 

[meshak]

The situation seems to be getting worse.

Most people aren't paying attention.

And I would like to add that solution to all our problems are being His faithful servants, nothing else. To believe otherwise is deceiving ourselves.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

And I would like to add that solution to all our problems are being His faithful servants, nothing else. To believe otherwise is deceiving ourselves.

I absolutely agree.

And to lay down and suck in the clouds when they float over from the fallen fuel pools would not be any more evidence of faithfulness or courage than taking a bet with the devil and testing God by jumping off a cliff.

 

[rexlunae]

:chuckle: This isn't really a proselytizing thread, it's a warning thread. You will have to work out your prayer issues on another thread.

Well, you brought it up.

When the meltdown really started.

Well, that's interesting. I haven't heard anything about that up to now.

It could have ended up like Hawaii, but it didn't. Give a wild guess why that is.

What, voluntarily joining a larger nation? Are you aware that Japan is on the order of a hundred times the population of Hawaii and around twelve times the land area? That it's the tenth most populous nation on Earth and the third largest economy? That it has a population between a third and half that of the United States?

Japan is a major nation. It couldn't just be absorbed.

The basis is not apparent? Try reading the letter in the OP. Let me know if that helps. 50% of Japan will become uninhabitable. Try to imagine the panic and anger for a moment.

That's not in your OP, and it seems a bit over the top. It certainly would be a catastrophe if true.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

Well, you brought it up.

Indeed. I'm clarifying my position after the OP.

What, voluntarily joining a larger nation?

Their queen was jailed. Their current heir to the throne was taken to a prison on the mainland for declaring himself the royal heir to the throne. I've been to Hawaii and am aware that they were not exactly welcoming the conquest with open arms, they were manipulated and maneuvered. Yet another side topic, perhaps worthy of its own thread, when we don't have a global crisis that demands attention.

Are you aware that Japan is on the order of a hundred times the population of Hawaii and around twelve times the land area? That it's the tenth most populous nation on Earth and the third largest economy? That it has a population between a third and half that of the United States?

Japan is a major nation. It couldn't just be absorbed.

By that reasoning, neither could India become subjugated. There's more to the story than land mass. Did you know that Japan has a sovereign rice program and spend up to 5% of their income on rice just to maintain their economic food security and independence? Remember, this is the home of the Samurai. These people are feircely independent. They value their national identity so much they won't even give non-citizens human rights within their borders.

That's not in your OP, and it seems a bit over the top. It certainly would be a catastrophe if true.

It's the worst case scenario, should the pool fuel tip over or crumble. Not my opinion, the Japanese expert opinions. I suppose I'll have to dig up support for my statement, or you could look up "fukushima spent fuel pool worst case scenario" and read a whole bunch of very eye opening articles yourself.

 

[meshak]

NHK, Japanese public station, is prosecuted by majority because they have been exposing ugly side of their country. Prosecutors are saying that it is one sided. I dont think so. They are finally started exposing their ugly side of their country after WW2 and now they want to go back to where they were.

Most Japanese people did not not know what their country were doing to their neighboring countries.

I think US are doing the same thing too as far as what they are doing to their enemy's countries at wars.

That's why Jesus warns us not to judge because we dont know what is going on in between countries.

Christians should not get involved in world affairs like Jesus commands us.

Jesus tell us that "let the dead bury their own dead". He also tells us that His followers are not of this world.

 

[TomO]

NHK, Japanese public station, is prosecuted by majority because they have been exposing ugly side of their country. Prosecutors are saying that it is one sided. I dont think so. They are finally started exposing their ugly side of their country after WW2 and now they want to go back to where they were.

Most Japanese people did not not know what their country were doing to their neighboring countries.

I think US are doing the same thing too as far as what they are doing to their enemy's countries at wars.

That's why Jesus warns us not to judge because we dont know what is going on in between countries.

Christians should not get involved in world affairs like Jesus commands us.

Jesus tell us that "let the dead bury their own dead". He also tells us that His followers are not of this world.

lain: ITT being "Christian" means:

 

[1PeaceMaker]

NHK, Japanese public station, is prosecuted by majority because they have been exposing ugly side of their country. Prosecutors are saying that it is one sided. I dont think so. They are finally started exposing their ugly side of their country after WW2 and now they want to go back to where they were.

Most Japanese people did not not know what their country were doing to their neighboring countries.

I think US are doing the same thing too as far as what they are doing to their enemy's countries at wars.

World politics is a nasty thing. Did you know that the USA turns out to have been secretly breaking the non-proliferation treaty helping Japan create a nuclear arsenal? Yeah, that's partly why it took so long for honesty about the radioactive nature of what is coming from Fukushima. The truth is still being sorted out, I don't know how far they got with the project, but it made the radiation there all the worse.

That's why Jesus warns us not to judge because we dont know what is going on in between countries.

I don't see Jesus talking about countries, but I agree that we'll have a hard time getting to the bottom of everything.

Christians should not get involved in world affairs like Jesus commands us.

That doesn't prevent us from getting house filters or wearing masks outside during radiation, or taking off radioactive clothes at the door and taking a shower before picking up the children or kissing the pregnant wife.

Neither does it prevent us from feeding the hungry or growing our own low radiation food.

Jesus tell us that "let the dead bury their own dead". He also tells us that His followers are not of this world.

And as for the living, we should give them clean food and water and protect them from diseases of radiation because whatever we do for the least of these brethren we do in service to God.

 

[meshak]

Wor

That doesn't prevent us from getting house filters or wearing masks outside during radiation, or taking off radioactive clothes at the door and taking a shower before picking up the children or kissing the pregnant wife.

Neither does it prevent us from feeding the hungry or growing our own low radiation food.



And as for the living, we should give them clean food and water and protect them from diseases of radiation because whatever we do for the least of these brethren we do in service to God.

Jesus' teachings are not against giving helping hands at all. On the contrary, He says to feed the hungry, it does not matter which country or who. Jesus is for all the world.

What He is saying that dont ever get involving in any kind of violence like wars.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

Jesus' teachings are not against giving helping hands at all. On the contrary, He says to feed the hungry, it does not matter which country or who. Jesus is for all the world.

What He is saying that dont ever get involving in any kind of violence like wars.

:up:

I'm totally with ya! God said He will destroy all armies, so I'd rather be plowing the fields when that time comes.

Might have to be wearing a mask and carrying a big umbrella when I do it though. :rain:

 

[rexlunae]

Their queen was jailed. Their current heir to the throne was taken to a prison on the mainland for declaring himself the royal heir to the throne. I've been to Hawaii and am aware that they were not exactly welcoming the conquest with open arms, they were manipulated and maneuvered. Yet another side topic, perhaps worthy of its own thread, when we don't have a global crisis that demands attention.

Another thread, perhaps.

By that reasoning, neither could India become subjugated. There's more to the story than land mass.

There are many factors, and having large amounts of land to defend can be a liability. Population, economy, government, ...

Before the Brits arrived, India wasn't even a country. It was mostly a part of the Mughal Empire, which allowed the East India Trading Company to establish a lot of control of the subcontinent. Eventually, the British made it into a colony. But it would never have happened if what were there when the British first arrived were anything like as organized as what is there now.

Even today, as India's economy develops so rapidly, they still have a significantly lower GDP than the UK.

Contrast that with Japan, which has been a nation for about two thousand years, and had a strong central government when contact with the outside world became unavoidable. When the Europeans first arrived, they were considered by many of the locals to be barbarians, and not without reason.

Did you know that Japan has a sovereign rice program and spend up to 5% of their income on rice just to maintain their economic food security and independence?

Yes, I did. Japan is not a great country for agriculture.

Remember, this is the home of the Samurai. These people are feircely independent.

Not in the sense that we talk about it in the United States. They had a strong sense of collective identity, and placed a high premium on keeping westerners out. The Samurai were basically nobles, and relatively few in number. And the general population was disarmed. Japan has some of the oldest and most severe arms control laws in the world.

Until the Meiji Revolution, it was forbidden for any Japanese person to teach their language to a foreigner. It was often forbidden to have contact of any kind. The state policy was isolation. And it was nearly their downfall. But, after Japan was opened by Admiral Perry, Japan quickly modernized their society and their military, avoiding the colonial fate that plagued China.

They value their national identity so much they won't even give non-citizens human rights within their borders.

None of the people I know who've lived in Japan reported any problems with their human rights. What are you basing this on?

It's the worst case scenario, should the pool fuel tip over or crumble. Not my opinion, the Japanese expert opinions. I suppose I'll have to dig up support for my statement, or you could look up "fukushima spent fuel pool worst case scenario" and read a whole bunch of very eye opening articles yourself.

I agree. That would be, as I said, a catastrophe.

 

[Flipper]

But Tepco actually made things worse during the earthquake and tsunami. It was like the incompetence we saw with the Titanic. And the government didn't help, as they are still not acting in a timely fashion. There are hot spots in Tokyo right now that are over the dosimeters reading limits. No one should be there right now.

That dosimeter was topping out at 9.99 microSieverts.

For comparison, wikipedia says that the typical level of background radiation from atmospheric sources is 2 milliSieverts.

Things certainly look a lot scarier when your units are off by a factor of 1000.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

There are many factors, and having large amounts of land to defend can be a liability. Population, economy, government, ...

Before the Brits arrived, India wasn't even a country. It was mostly a part of the Mughal Empire, which allowed the East India Trading Company to establish a lot of control of the subcontinent. Eventually, the British made it into a colony. But it would never have happened if what were there when the British first arrived were anything like as organized as what is there now.

Even today, as India's economy develops so rapidly, they still have a significantly lower GDP than the UK.

Contrast that with Japan, which has been a nation for about two thousand years, and had a strong central government when contact with the outside world became unavoidable. When the Europeans first arrived, they were considered by many of the locals to be barbarians, and not without reason.

Yes, I did. Japan is not a great country for agriculture.

Not in the sense that we talk about it in the United States. They had a strong sense of collective identity, and placed a high premium on keeping westerners out. The Samurai were basically nobles, and relatively few in number. And the general population was disarmed. Japan has some of the oldest and most severe arms control laws in the world.

Until the Meiji Revolution, it was forbidden for any Japanese person to teach their language to a foreigner. It was often forbidden to have contact of any kind. The state policy was isolation. And it was nearly their downfall. But, after Japan was opened by Admiral Perry, Japan quickly modernized their society and their military, avoiding the colonial fate that plagued China.

I don't disagree. I just see this cohesive national independence. You are right to point out it's not the same sort in the USA. Here we stand up to each other. Over there they just stand together, standing up as a collective to the rest of the world.

None of the people I know who've lived in Japan reported any problems with their human rights. What are you basing this on?

http://fukushima-diary.com/2012/01/...d-a-canadian-journalist-who-criticized-tepco/

I agree. That would be, as I said, a catastrophe.

That's a pretty important base level to agree on for a thread like this. The big question is how are we going to handle the information?

 

[1PeaceMaker]

That dosimeter was topping out at 9.99 microSieverts.

For comparison, wikipedia says that the typical level of background radiation from atmospheric sources is 2 milliSieverts.

Things certainly look a lot scarier when your units are off by a factor of 1000.

Tell me about it! I have no idea how people in Japan are emotionally keeping it together these days. It's hard enough being a pregnant woman on the West Coast, but I'm even one step better off than I otherwise would be, with God to trust in.

Not to slip too far off topic, but I think this is one of those times when it's important to believe in a higher power.

 

[1PeaceMaker]

GUYS! I think you will want to listen to this radio show for expert evaluation of this situation that you can listen to as an MP3.

http://www.ecoshock.net/eshock12/ES_120411_Show_LoFi.mp3

 

[Flipper]

Tell me about it! I have no idea how people in Japan are emotionally keeping it together these days. It's hard enough being a pregnant woman on the West Coast, but I'm even one step better off than I otherwise would be, with God to trust in.

Not to slip too far off topic, but I think this is one of those times when it's important to believe in a higher power.

Um, no. What I'm saying is that the radiation detector is calibrated to pick up absolutely minuscule amounts of radiation and in this case is just picking up background that's far below what could be considered as hazardous.

It's a photo that - cynically or otherwise - is taking advantage of people's scientific illiteracy. As many (most?) people don't know the difference between the prefix of "micro" and "milli" or have any sense of what a sievert measures or how dangerous one is, the photo is blatantly scaremongering, and you have to ask yourself (or at least, you should be asking) what the agenda is of the people who took it?

Right now, it's looking more and more like anti-nuclear propaganda. You'd think narrowly missing a meltdown due to a tsunami would be sufficient material to work with, but apparently someone deems it important to lie about the aftermath too. I suppose it could be that various anti-nuke groups just don't know how to read the instruments they have. Either way, it's pretty poor.

 

[rainee]

I stumbled upon this article and thought of you 1PeaceMaker.

I don't know exactly what to think of it yet but wanted you to see it if you haven't yet. I guess it is a British published article not sure if the posting comes from a reliable news source over there... But here it is.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fukushima-...s-sprout-japans-nuclear-disaster-site-1512099

Ps the idea might be that The Lord made life rather resilient? Which would be very good.