A Saviour unto Israel
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Did Paul spiritualize scripture ?
One of the reasons for the confusion and error of not realizing the Church and Israel are the same people just under a different economy, is because its ignored how Paul spiritualized things in the OT to give their application and meaning into the NT which He served, for He was a Minister of the New Testament and in being so a Minister to the gentiles .
2 Cor 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Yes, its the same ministry..
The New Covenant must be applied to the gentiles, this same one promised to Israel here Jer 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Now lets observe how Paul spiritualized scripture in the OT to give us to know that the OT in general was written with a underlying spiritual relevance not comprehended during the OT times but was to be revealed in the NT times 1 Pet 1:10-12
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Now lets look at an instance of how Paul spiritualized events in the OT ! 1 Cor 10:1-4,11
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Now think about what Paul has just stated here in this passage ! Spiritual food, drink, rock and Christ, now where in the written account of the Exodus is any of this mentioned ? For in the literal account we read of physical manna, water from a physical rock ! We observe the people of Israel passing through the red sea and a cloud by day and pillar by night, but there is no mention of baptism as Paul states. The point here is that the Apostle is demonstrating the proper way to interpret the OT ! Not only did the story literally happen in the OT but it had a higher and spiritual meaning which the Holy Spirit intended for it to have..Thats why Paul says to this same church earlier about the things he spake to them this:
1 Cor 2:12-13
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Hence, spiritual food, spiritual drink, spiritual rock can mean a spiritual Israel The Church..
2 Cor 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Yes, its the same ministry..
The New Covenant must be applied to the gentiles, this same one promised to Israel here Jer 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Now lets observe how Paul spiritualized scripture in the OT to give us to know that the OT in general was written with a underlying spiritual relevance not comprehended during the OT times but was to be revealed in the NT times 1 Pet 1:10-12
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Now lets look at an instance of how Paul spiritualized events in the OT ! 1 Cor 10:1-4,11
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Now think about what Paul has just stated here in this passage ! Spiritual food, drink, rock and Christ, now where in the written account of the Exodus is any of this mentioned ? For in the literal account we read of physical manna, water from a physical rock ! We observe the people of Israel passing through the red sea and a cloud by day and pillar by night, but there is no mention of baptism as Paul states. The point here is that the Apostle is demonstrating the proper way to interpret the OT ! Not only did the story literally happen in the OT but it had a higher and spiritual meaning which the Holy Spirit intended for it to have..Thats why Paul says to this same church earlier about the things he spake to them this:
1 Cor 2:12-13
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Hence, spiritual food, spiritual drink, spiritual rock can mean a spiritual Israel The Church..
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beloved57
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Did Paul spiritualize scripture ? cont
Did Paul spiritualize scripture ? cont
We have seen that Paul spiritualized the OT in 1 !or 10, and we will look at another passage in Galatians where he does it again Gal 4:21-31
21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Notice vs 24, which things [ OT History] an allegory ! The word is the greek word allēgoreō:
) to speak allegorically or in a figure
Remember when Paul wrote that Adam was a figure of Him to come, Christ Rom 5:14
Vines Dictionary states about the word allegory:
translated in Gal 4:24 "contain an allegory" (AV, "are an allegory"), formed from allos, "other," and agoreuo, "to speak in a place of assembly" (agora, "the market-place"), came to signify "to speak," not according to the primary sense of the word, but so that the facts stated are applied to illustrate principles. The "allegorical" meaning does not do away with the literal meaning of the narrative. There may be more than one "allegorical" meaning though, of course, only one literal meaning. Scripture histories represent or embody spiritual principles, and these are ascertained, not by the play of the imagination, but by the rightful application of the doctrines of Scripture.
Paul in this passage again spiritualized this history in the OT. Where can we read in genesis that Hagar is a Covenant or Mt Sinai ? What about Sarah being the New Covenant and is Mt Zion ? The fact is, it doesn't, but the inspired Apostle clearly tells us these things are true. Now the Church is built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets with Christ being the Chief cornerstone.. Eph 2:20
20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
BTW this scripture proves the Oneness of the Church and Christ was and is the Head of the OT Prophets as He is the Head of the Apostles..for He is the Chief cornerstone..
And this being the case, we should give heed to this type of interpretation by the Apostle who was made so by the Sovereign Will of God as per 2 Tim 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
Whats being seen here is that many of the OT events had a double meaning, the obvious literal and the higher, hidden, and spiritual meaning..
The Spiritual meaning however can only be given by the Holy Ghost of God 1 Cor 2:12-14
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
A casual reading of the Literal history of the OT cannot reveal its higher and spiritual intent by God..
Did Paul spiritualize scripture ? cont
We have seen that Paul spiritualized the OT in 1 !or 10, and we will look at another passage in Galatians where he does it again Gal 4:21-31
21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Notice vs 24, which things [ OT History] an allegory ! The word is the greek word allēgoreō:
) to speak allegorically or in a figure
Remember when Paul wrote that Adam was a figure of Him to come, Christ Rom 5:14
Vines Dictionary states about the word allegory:
translated in Gal 4:24 "contain an allegory" (AV, "are an allegory"), formed from allos, "other," and agoreuo, "to speak in a place of assembly" (agora, "the market-place"), came to signify "to speak," not according to the primary sense of the word, but so that the facts stated are applied to illustrate principles. The "allegorical" meaning does not do away with the literal meaning of the narrative. There may be more than one "allegorical" meaning though, of course, only one literal meaning. Scripture histories represent or embody spiritual principles, and these are ascertained, not by the play of the imagination, but by the rightful application of the doctrines of Scripture.
Paul in this passage again spiritualized this history in the OT. Where can we read in genesis that Hagar is a Covenant or Mt Sinai ? What about Sarah being the New Covenant and is Mt Zion ? The fact is, it doesn't, but the inspired Apostle clearly tells us these things are true. Now the Church is built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets with Christ being the Chief cornerstone.. Eph 2:20
20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
BTW this scripture proves the Oneness of the Church and Christ was and is the Head of the OT Prophets as He is the Head of the Apostles..for He is the Chief cornerstone..
And this being the case, we should give heed to this type of interpretation by the Apostle who was made so by the Sovereign Will of God as per 2 Tim 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
Whats being seen here is that many of the OT events had a double meaning, the obvious literal and the higher, hidden, and spiritual meaning..
The Spiritual meaning however can only be given by the Holy Ghost of God 1 Cor 2:12-14
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
A casual reading of the Literal history of the OT cannot reveal its higher and spiritual intent by God..
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O T History had a Two Fold meaning !
O T History had a Two Fold meaning !
From our previous witness we showed how the inspired Paul spiritualized OT History in divulging that God had more than one meaning. For it is hard to miss this pattern, for there was an obvious literal, natural meaning.
This is premised on a biblical order that God has established and maintained throughout world history, that is the natural first, then the spiritual 1 Cor 15:46
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
And no, it does not revert back to natural as some erroneously teach..
So, God's People Israel takes on two forms, first Natural Israel and afterward Spiritual Israel..
Natural Israel was the Church in the wilderness Acts 7:38
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
And we have the Spiritual Church Israel in the wilderness Rev 12:13-14
13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
The women here is the Church, the remnant of the seed of the women which was Christ..
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.
Col 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
And so this method as per 1 Cor 15:45 The natural then the spiritual is how Paul understands the OT scripture, this cannot be denied.
Paul speaks of the First and Natural Adam and the second and Spiritual Adam 1 Cor 15:45,47or who we know is the Lord Jesus Christ.
So the First Adam a very real and natural person whose life is recorded in the OT scripture, is a representative of a Truth greater than he, there was something about him more deeper and spiritual, this is again alluded to by Paul here Eph 5:31-32
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Again Paul points this out in Rom 5:14
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
However, by mere casual reading of the scripture, these deeper sublime truths would have not been revealed, but God raised up Paul for that purpose, and of course the Holy Spirit teaches these things through Him..
I am here to tell you today, the natural Israel was merely a type a figure, the natural of the Spiritual Israel, the Church, God's Heavenly People..
O T History had a Two Fold meaning !
From our previous witness we showed how the inspired Paul spiritualized OT History in divulging that God had more than one meaning. For it is hard to miss this pattern, for there was an obvious literal, natural meaning.
This is premised on a biblical order that God has established and maintained throughout world history, that is the natural first, then the spiritual 1 Cor 15:46
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
And no, it does not revert back to natural as some erroneously teach..
So, God's People Israel takes on two forms, first Natural Israel and afterward Spiritual Israel..
Natural Israel was the Church in the wilderness Acts 7:38
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
And we have the Spiritual Church Israel in the wilderness Rev 12:13-14
13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
The women here is the Church, the remnant of the seed of the women which was Christ..
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.
Col 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
And so this method as per 1 Cor 15:45 The natural then the spiritual is how Paul understands the OT scripture, this cannot be denied.
Paul speaks of the First and Natural Adam and the second and Spiritual Adam 1 Cor 15:45,47or who we know is the Lord Jesus Christ.
So the First Adam a very real and natural person whose life is recorded in the OT scripture, is a representative of a Truth greater than he, there was something about him more deeper and spiritual, this is again alluded to by Paul here Eph 5:31-32
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Again Paul points this out in Rom 5:14
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
However, by mere casual reading of the scripture, these deeper sublime truths would have not been revealed, but God raised up Paul for that purpose, and of course the Holy Spirit teaches these things through Him..
I am here to tell you today, the natural Israel was merely a type a figure, the natural of the Spiritual Israel, the Church, God's Heavenly People..
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beloved57
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What has been set forth is of extreme importance in understanding OT scripture and how anointed , God ordained men like Paul explains it. The stories, ordinances , statues and covenants and people and things associated there with all have a deeper and spiritual meaning that will be grasped by the spiritually taught. The feast of the passover had a deeper spiritual meaning 1 Cor 5:7
7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
The us, the Spiritual Israel..
Other things like the altar, the priesthood, the sacrifices, laver and incense and other items under the OT all have a deeper spiritual meaning that is to be conveyed to God's Covenant People living under the NT..
Lets look at some examples : The altar Ex 27:1
1And thou shalt make an altar of shittim wood, five cubits long, and five cubits broad; the altar shall be foursquare: and the height thereof shall be three cubits.
This was a type and prefigured the spiritual altar of the New Covenant Heb 13:10
10We have an altar[Christ], whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
The Laver of washing Ex 30:18-21
18Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.
19For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:
20When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD:
21So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.
The laver typifies the once and for all washing of regeneration as well as the continual washing or cleansing in our daily lives from the defilement of sin..
I of course could go on, but the point is to show that OT history typifies and finds it's fulfillment in the NT, that goes for the People as well..
7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
The us, the Spiritual Israel..
Other things like the altar, the priesthood, the sacrifices, laver and incense and other items under the OT all have a deeper spiritual meaning that is to be conveyed to God's Covenant People living under the NT..
Lets look at some examples : The altar Ex 27:1
1And thou shalt make an altar of shittim wood, five cubits long, and five cubits broad; the altar shall be foursquare: and the height thereof shall be three cubits.
This was a type and prefigured the spiritual altar of the New Covenant Heb 13:10
10We have an altar[Christ], whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
The Laver of washing Ex 30:18-21
18Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.
19For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:
20When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD:
21So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.
The laver typifies the once and for all washing of regeneration as well as the continual washing or cleansing in our daily lives from the defilement of sin..
I of course could go on, but the point is to show that OT history typifies and finds it's fulfillment in the NT, that goes for the People as well..
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beloved57
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Israel the Children of Promise !
Israel the Children of Promise !
Rom 9:6-8
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Israel, the Children of Promise ! There was a Children of Israel according to the flesh, and a children of Israel according to to Promise. Now to which Israel did God make the Promises to ? The Children of Israel according to the flesh or according to Promise, and without hesitation I answer the Israel, the Children of Promise.
How do we discern discern which is which ? Lets seek the scripture to find a answer. As stated in Rom 9:6, Paul see's two Israel's, vs 7 seeds of Abraham, vs 8 Children of Abraham; Now within the scope of being children of Abraham, it could happen one of two ways, according to the flesh or according to promise.
Israel the Children of Promise !
Rom 9:6-8
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Israel, the Children of Promise ! There was a Children of Israel according to the flesh, and a children of Israel according to to Promise. Now to which Israel did God make the Promises to ? The Children of Israel according to the flesh or according to Promise, and without hesitation I answer the Israel, the Children of Promise.
How do we discern discern which is which ? Lets seek the scripture to find a answer. As stated in Rom 9:6, Paul see's two Israel's, vs 7 seeds of Abraham, vs 8 Children of Abraham; Now within the scope of being children of Abraham, it could happen one of two ways, according to the flesh or according to promise.
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Israel the Children of Promise cont
Israel the Children of Promise cont
Israel the Children of Promise cont
How do we discern discern which is which ? Lets seek the scripture to find a answer. As stated in Rom 9:6, Paul see's two Israel's, vs 7 seeds of Abraham, vs 8 Children of Abraham; Now within the scope of being children of Abraham, it could happen one of two ways, according to the flesh or according to promise.
The Two Israels in vs 6 are of the flesh or of the promise [the spirit]
Now Abraham had Two Sons, Before Issac was Ishmael. Ishmael can trace His natural [flesh] descent back to Abraham [as can natural Israel] for Jesus speaking to them [natural jews] says:
Jn 8:37
37I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Yet Ishmael was not counted as a Heir of Promise Gal 4:30
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. see Rom 9:8
In fact in Gal 4:22ff, the Apostle identifies natural Israel according to the flesh as Ishmael and his mother hagar, they representing that Israel constituted at Mt Sinai :
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
And Identifies Isaac as as from the freewoman, born of promise to Abraham.
Ishmael was born by the flesh to Abraham [in unbelief], But Isaac was born by the power of God's word of Promise to Abraham.
You see Isaac was conceived and brought forth by the direct activity of God, Sarah having been hopelessly barren, and Abraham his Father was past the years of natural procreation ability [see Gen 17:17], but nevertheless God made a promise too them to give them a Son, A Heir. It was the power of that promise that brought forth Isaac in the womb, and likewise, its the sovereign power of God that gives being to the Children of Promise, which are born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of men, but of God Jn 1:13 [as Isaac] and thusly Isaac is a type or figure for the True Seed of Abraham, the Israel of Promise, born of the Holy Spirit of promise..even Isaac was born after the Spirit Gal 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after [or according to] the Spirit, even so it is now.
Hence all the jews in the OT that were born after[or according to] the Spirit was the True Israel, the True olive Tree..
The Two Israels in vs 6 are of the flesh or of the promise [the spirit]
Now Abraham had Two Sons, Before Issac was Ishmael. Ishmael can trace His natural [flesh] descent back to Abraham [as can natural Israel] for Jesus speaking to them [natural jews] says:
Jn 8:37
37I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Yet Ishmael was not counted as a Heir of Promise Gal 4:30
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. see Rom 9:8
In fact in Gal 4:22ff, the Apostle identifies natural Israel according to the flesh as Ishmael and his mother hagar, they representing that Israel constituted at Mt Sinai :
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
And Identifies Isaac as as from the freewoman, born of promise to Abraham.
Ishmael was born by the flesh to Abraham [in unbelief], But Isaac was born by the power of God's word of Promise to Abraham.
You see Isaac was conceived and brought forth by the direct activity of God, Sarah having been hopelessly barren, and Abraham his Father was past the years of natural procreation ability [see Gen 17:17], but nevertheless God made a promise too them to give them a Son, A Heir. It was the power of that promise that brought forth Isaac in the womb, and likewise, its the sovereign power of God that gives being to the Children of Promise, which are born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of men, but of God Jn 1:13 [as Isaac] and thusly Isaac is a type or figure for the True Seed of Abraham, the Israel of Promise, born of the Holy Spirit of promise..even Isaac was born after the Spirit Gal 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after [or according to] the Spirit, even so it is now.
Hence all the jews in the OT that were born after[or according to] the Spirit was the True Israel, the True olive Tree..
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beloved57
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But Paul no doubt met with opposition and objection, that all of Isaac's natural descendants are of the Promise ! So Paul goes on to speak of his natural descendants, per Jacob and Esau, who where both born of Isaac and Rebekah Rom 9:10-13
10And not only this; but when Rebbecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
So what Paul is doing is abolishing the false idea that the natural descendants determines whether or not one is included in the Israel of God or Promise. For it can be said of both Ishmael and Esau that they can be traced back to the natural lineage of Abraham, they are children of the flesh, however both were rejected from being heirs of promise or Israel of promise ! You see Abraham was given a seed born after the Spirit, that seed is Israel, but it has nothing to do with His natural children, although some of them have been grafted into that spiritual Israel, as even some gentiles as well..
Folks it is those of Faith [ A Spiritual Fruit see Gal 5:22] that belong to Israel of promise to which pertains the promises Gal 3:7
7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham=[Israel].
And that regardless of ethnicity, without Faith from being born of the Spirit, all of Abraham's physical descendants are of the seed of satan[gentiles too], with no distinction between them and the offspring of Ishmael or Esau, or the sons of ketruah, Abraham's second wife, and as such they have no right or claim to any of God's gracious covenant of promises, nor to be regarded as Israel of promise, Rev 3:9
9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
No doubt these where physical jews, but as Jesus told them once before Jn 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
10And not only this; but when Rebbecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
So what Paul is doing is abolishing the false idea that the natural descendants determines whether or not one is included in the Israel of God or Promise. For it can be said of both Ishmael and Esau that they can be traced back to the natural lineage of Abraham, they are children of the flesh, however both were rejected from being heirs of promise or Israel of promise ! You see Abraham was given a seed born after the Spirit, that seed is Israel, but it has nothing to do with His natural children, although some of them have been grafted into that spiritual Israel, as even some gentiles as well..
Folks it is those of Faith [ A Spiritual Fruit see Gal 5:22] that belong to Israel of promise to which pertains the promises Gal 3:7
7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham=[Israel].
And that regardless of ethnicity, without Faith from being born of the Spirit, all of Abraham's physical descendants are of the seed of satan[gentiles too], with no distinction between them and the offspring of Ishmael or Esau, or the sons of ketruah, Abraham's second wife, and as such they have no right or claim to any of God's gracious covenant of promises, nor to be regarded as Israel of promise, Rev 3:9
9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
No doubt these where physical jews, but as Jesus told them once before Jn 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
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Rom 2:29 ;Rom 9:6,8
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
What seed ? The Children of the promise are the seed of Israel !
The seed of Israel that shall be Justified per Isa 45:25
In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
That seed of Israel is the same as the seed of Abraham in Gal 3:29
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed [Israel], and heirs according to the promise.
That Israel is the Church ! Which belongs to Christ..To deny this is to deny scripture and call God a Liar..
Now even though they are ignored or twisted, there are many scriptures in the NT where OT Prophecies regarding Israel's restoration or regathering are made to be realized in the Church, the One Christ builds Matt 16:18
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The greek word for build is Oikodomeo and means:
to build a house, erect a building
a) to build (up from the foundation)
b) to restore by building, to rebuild, repair
Notice He said I will be building MY Church, the Church of Me, in other words, it was presently His Church, that He would be building upon, for He himself is the foundation, so if He existed then and now, then so did His Church..The building material is but part of and erected from the foundation, Now who is the foundation ?
1 Cor 3:11
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
So this points to the Church as being the True Israel of God, the body of Him who is the True Israel of God, the seed of Abraham, Christ.
Now notice something, Who is the seed of Abraham to whom the promises of God were made ? Lets look at Gal 3:16
16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made.He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ
Now, none but a fool would deny that Christ is the seed of Abraham from this scripture. Now Who is the Head of the Church, the Body ? Lets read here Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.
Now, is this the same Christ which is the seed of Abraham in Gal 3:16 ?
If it is, then whats to keep us from saying that the seed of Abraham is the Head of the Church ?
Did this Seed of Abraham exist in the OT ?
And this True Israel is made up of both believing Gentiles and believing Jews, for this is the Israel that is of Abraham's Faith, and not of His blood..hence the differences outlined here by Paul Rom 9:6-8
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
The Children of Faith are the True Children of God as per Gal 3:26
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were True Israel, Children of God, by Faith in Christ, not because of their blood or Ethnicity..Now there Faith in Christ constituted them the seed of Abraham as per Gal 3:29
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
So from the Faith perspective, Did Christ Church, of which He is the Head of as the seed of Abraham, did it exist in the OT..
Did Abraham Isaac, and Jacob believe in or Have Faith in a Living Christ ?
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
What seed ? The Children of the promise are the seed of Israel !
The seed of Israel that shall be Justified per Isa 45:25
In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
That seed of Israel is the same as the seed of Abraham in Gal 3:29
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed [Israel], and heirs according to the promise.
That Israel is the Church ! Which belongs to Christ..To deny this is to deny scripture and call God a Liar..
Now even though they are ignored or twisted, there are many scriptures in the NT where OT Prophecies regarding Israel's restoration or regathering are made to be realized in the Church, the One Christ builds Matt 16:18
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The greek word for build is Oikodomeo and means:
to build a house, erect a building
a) to build (up from the foundation)
b) to restore by building, to rebuild, repair
Notice He said I will be building MY Church, the Church of Me, in other words, it was presently His Church, that He would be building upon, for He himself is the foundation, so if He existed then and now, then so did His Church..The building material is but part of and erected from the foundation, Now who is the foundation ?
1 Cor 3:11
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
So this points to the Church as being the True Israel of God, the body of Him who is the True Israel of God, the seed of Abraham, Christ.
Now notice something, Who is the seed of Abraham to whom the promises of God were made ? Lets look at Gal 3:16
16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made.He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ
Now, none but a fool would deny that Christ is the seed of Abraham from this scripture. Now Who is the Head of the Church, the Body ? Lets read here Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.
Now, is this the same Christ which is the seed of Abraham in Gal 3:16 ?
If it is, then whats to keep us from saying that the seed of Abraham is the Head of the Church ?
Did this Seed of Abraham exist in the OT ?
And this True Israel is made up of both believing Gentiles and believing Jews, for this is the Israel that is of Abraham's Faith, and not of His blood..hence the differences outlined here by Paul Rom 9:6-8
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
The Children of Faith are the True Children of God as per Gal 3:26
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were True Israel, Children of God, by Faith in Christ, not because of their blood or Ethnicity..Now there Faith in Christ constituted them the seed of Abraham as per Gal 3:29
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
So from the Faith perspective, Did Christ Church, of which He is the Head of as the seed of Abraham, did it exist in the OT..
Did Abraham Isaac, and Jacob believe in or Have Faith in a Living Christ ?
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Are made to be realized in the Church !
Now even though they are ignored or twisted, there are many scriptures in the NT where OT Prophecies regarding Israel's restoration or regathering are made to be realized in the Church.
The Church has not replaced Israel, but is the Clarification of who Israel [of God] has always been, never a Physical People, however comprised of spiritually reborn physical people.
The Israel of God which was comprised in the OT with ethnic jews who had been circumcised in their hearts [born again] is now in the NT comprised of both circumcised in heart jews and gentiles [Phil 3:3 & Rom 2:29] or as another way Paul puts it the Olive Tree , which stands for the True Israel of God, which is now comprised of born again Natural Jews [branches] and Unnatural Branches Gentiles, but in any case believing Branches..
With that in Mind we can begin to understand why prophecies and promises in the OT directed to Israel are fulfilled and applied to the Church..
We will look at a couple of Illustrations for evidence of the same.
In Acts 15:14-18 James interprets the prophecy of Amos 9:11-12, which is the rebuilding of Davids Tabernacle as finding its fulfillment in the calling out of the Gentiles a people for His names sake in a expanding formation of the Church, Christ is building His Church as the Son of David..
This is another way of saying gentiles being grafted into the Olive Tree of Rom 11:17
The Church has not replaced Israel, but is the Clarification of who Israel [of God] has always been, never a Physical People, however comprised of spiritually reborn physical people.
The Israel of God which was comprised in the OT with ethnic jews who had been circumcised in their hearts [born again] is now in the NT comprised of both circumcised in heart jews and gentiles [Phil 3:3 & Rom 2:29] or as another way Paul puts it the Olive Tree , which stands for the True Israel of God, which is now comprised of born again Natural Jews [branches] and Unnatural Branches Gentiles, but in any case believing Branches..
With that in Mind we can begin to understand why prophecies and promises in the OT directed to Israel are fulfilled and applied to the Church..
We will look at a couple of Illustrations for evidence of the same.
In Acts 15:14-18 James interprets the prophecy of Amos 9:11-12, which is the rebuilding of Davids Tabernacle as finding its fulfillment in the calling out of the Gentiles a people for His names sake in a expanding formation of the Church, Christ is building His Church as the Son of David..
This is another way of saying gentiles being grafted into the Olive Tree of Rom 11:17
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The Preeminence of the Church !
1 Cor 3:21-23
21Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;
22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;
23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
All things are yours Paul writes to the Church, so if by chance dispensationalism was true [which it is not] then the Church would reign over the ethnic jews, for the Church has a much higher position of Authority than the ethnic jews would, and the earthly millennium jews would belong to the Church, because of Her Union with Christ..
Notice Paul says to the Church as to what is Hers, things to come so if there is a future earthly millennium, it belongs to the Church...
1 Cor 3:21-23
21Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;
22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;
23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
All things are yours Paul writes to the Church, so if by chance dispensationalism was true [which it is not] then the Church would reign over the ethnic jews, for the Church has a much higher position of Authority than the ethnic jews would, and the earthly millennium jews would belong to the Church, because of Her Union with Christ..
Notice Paul says to the Church as to what is Hers, things to come so if there is a future earthly millennium, it belongs to the Church...
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Are made to be realized in the Church ! cont
Another OT Prophecy about Israel finds its application to the Church by the inspired Apostle :
In Romans 9:25-26:
25As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
The Apostle is quoting scripture from Hosea 1:10
10Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Hos 2:23
23And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.
These were actually being addressed to the Ten Apostate Northern tribes of Israel before the Assyrian captivity in 722 bc, for the rebellious manner of God's people [not my people / not beloved] and predicting her future restoration [my people/beloved/ sons of the Living God].
And Paul under the direction of the Holy Ghost applies these to the calling or salvation of the elect gentiles, the church. Paul here without hesitation takes the two prophecies of Hosea regarding the future salvation of Israel and applies them to the Church, which consists of both the called jews and gentiles [rom 9:24], they both become the People of God Covenant Israel.
Again the grafting in of the gentiles into the Olive Tree is being demonstrated, or the making of one new Man of Eph 2:12-19
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Now, who were the Saints and Household of God in the OT under the Old Covenant People ? Was it not Israel ?
In Romans 9:25-26:
25As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
The Apostle is quoting scripture from Hosea 1:10
10Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Hos 2:23
23And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.
These were actually being addressed to the Ten Apostate Northern tribes of Israel before the Assyrian captivity in 722 bc, for the rebellious manner of God's people [not my people / not beloved] and predicting her future restoration [my people/beloved/ sons of the Living God].
And Paul under the direction of the Holy Ghost applies these to the calling or salvation of the elect gentiles, the church. Paul here without hesitation takes the two prophecies of Hosea regarding the future salvation of Israel and applies them to the Church, which consists of both the called jews and gentiles [rom 9:24], they both become the People of God Covenant Israel.
Again the grafting in of the gentiles into the Olive Tree is being demonstrated, or the making of one new Man of Eph 2:12-19
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Now, who were the Saints and Household of God in the OT under the Old Covenant People ? Was it not Israel ?
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Are made to be realized in the Church ! cont
So Paul has shown how the prophecies of Hosea are fulfilled in the Church, the one Christ is building Matt 16:18. Many will scream that this is spiritualized hermeneutics, well if it is, so be it, for paul did it, an authorized messenger of Christ..
Thats exactly what the NT does to the OT predictions, with this, the OT promises to Israel [The People not the Nation ] their restoration to God is being fulfilled in the salvation or conversion of believers in Christ, both of jews and gentiles in the church age, the Church Eph 2. The calling out of the gentiles from every tribe, tongue, people and nation is the prophesied restoration of Israel, the inclusion of Abraham's Gentile seed from among the Nations as per Gen 17:5, and hence the church is the continuation and perfection of Israels believing remnant Heb 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they[OT Saints] without us[NT Saints] should not be made perfect.
So Paul has shown how the prophecies of Hosea are fulfilled in the Church, the one Christ is building Matt 16:18. Many will scream that this is spiritualized hermeneutics, well if it is, so be it, for paul did it, an authorized messenger of Christ..
Thats exactly what the NT does to the OT predictions, with this, the OT promises to Israel [The People not the Nation ] their restoration to God is being fulfilled in the salvation or conversion of believers in Christ, both of jews and gentiles in the church age, the Church Eph 2. The calling out of the gentiles from every tribe, tongue, people and nation is the prophesied restoration of Israel, the inclusion of Abraham's Gentile seed from among the Nations as per Gen 17:5, and hence the church is the continuation and perfection of Israels believing remnant Heb 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they[OT Saints] without us[NT Saints] should not be made perfect.
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Are made to be realized in the Church ! cont
John in Rev 2:17 which reads:
17He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Is promising to the church which are overcomer's a new name. This is a clear reference to the prediction or prophecy in Isa 62:2
2And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
Also vs Isa 65:15
15And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
Israels future royal status and restoration to God, are being here applied to the Church, individual members of it..
John in Rev 2:17 which reads:
17He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Is promising to the church which are overcomer's a new name. This is a clear reference to the prediction or prophecy in Isa 62:2
2And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
Also vs Isa 65:15
15And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
Israels future royal status and restoration to God, are being here applied to the Church, individual members of it..
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All jews are not Jews cp Rom 9:6
All jews are not Jews cp Rom 9:6
Rev 3:9
9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Now this verse is enlightening, if we have eyes to see, Jesus assures the church in Philadelphia what He will make these pretended jews do, and it does not consult their so called freewill !
There are two good points here being made, Jesus says about those "who say they are jews, but lie [also see Rev 2:9] It would appear that in one sense these people are jews, the physical descendants of the Patriarchs, who met in the synagouges to worship, remember Jesus addressed a similar crowd during His ministry Jn 8:37, but in another sense, inwardly and spiritually they are not jews, not believers in The True Messiah, and perhaps persecutors of those who do believe in Him as per 1 Thess 2:13-15.
These Jews are said instead to be the synagogue of satan. True Jews belong to Christ, the seed of Abraham [see Gal 3:29] for you see paul writes:
Rom 2:28-29
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The word jew here is the greek word Ioudaios and its used in this sense:
the word is used of ideal Jews, i.e., Jews in spiritual reality, believers, whether Jews or Gentiles by natural birth.
This Judaism is of the heart, and it cannot be limited to believing jews but does graft in believing gentiles, this clear from Paul's statement to the Philippians Phil 3:3
3For we [believers] are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Worshiping God in Spirit and rejoicing in Christ Jesus is not limited to ethnic jews.. So John in writing Rev 3:9 is giving us to understand that Jesus distinguishes between literal jews, and spiritual jews or Spiritual Israel, the Spiritual seed of Abraham. Thats why paul also writes Rom 9:6
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
All jews are not Jews cp Rom 9:6
Rev 3:9
9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Now this verse is enlightening, if we have eyes to see, Jesus assures the church in Philadelphia what He will make these pretended jews do, and it does not consult their so called freewill !
There are two good points here being made, Jesus says about those "who say they are jews, but lie [also see Rev 2:9] It would appear that in one sense these people are jews, the physical descendants of the Patriarchs, who met in the synagouges to worship, remember Jesus addressed a similar crowd during His ministry Jn 8:37, but in another sense, inwardly and spiritually they are not jews, not believers in The True Messiah, and perhaps persecutors of those who do believe in Him as per 1 Thess 2:13-15.
These Jews are said instead to be the synagogue of satan. True Jews belong to Christ, the seed of Abraham [see Gal 3:29] for you see paul writes:
Rom 2:28-29
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The word jew here is the greek word Ioudaios and its used in this sense:
the word is used of ideal Jews, i.e., Jews in spiritual reality, believers, whether Jews or Gentiles by natural birth.
This Judaism is of the heart, and it cannot be limited to believing jews but does graft in believing gentiles, this clear from Paul's statement to the Philippians Phil 3:3
3For we [believers] are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Worshiping God in Spirit and rejoicing in Christ Jesus is not limited to ethnic jews.. So John in writing Rev 3:9 is giving us to understand that Jesus distinguishes between literal jews, and spiritual jews or Spiritual Israel, the Spiritual seed of Abraham. Thats why paul also writes Rom 9:6
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
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Continuing from previous post as we look at how some OT predictions regarding God's Covenant People Israel, are Being applied to the NT Church, proving the Church existed in the OT, and that Israel, the True one, is the Church, just having been expanded to include some gentiles.
We see how Rev 3:9 has its roots in OT prophecy , Isa 60:14
14The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 45:14
14Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.
Isa 49:23
23And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.
Now in all these scriptures, its the gentiles who are to bow before Israel, whereas in Rev 3:9 its jews who will bow before the gentile Church
Interestingly in Isa 60:14 they [the gentiles] will call them [Jews] the city of the Lord, the Zion of the Holy One of Israel ! Is not that what we see in Rev 3:12
12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
And the title Jesus identifies Himself with to the Church of Philadelphia is the Holy One hence the link with Isa 60 !
The words 'They will know that I have loved thee " can be compared to Isa 43:4
4Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.
This gives us to understand, that John saw in the Church the realization and fulfillment of the Isaiah prophecies..
We see how Rev 3:9 has its roots in OT prophecy , Isa 60:14
14The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 45:14
14Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.
Isa 49:23
23And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.
Now in all these scriptures, its the gentiles who are to bow before Israel, whereas in Rev 3:9 its jews who will bow before the gentile Church
Interestingly in Isa 60:14 they [the gentiles] will call them [Jews] the city of the Lord, the Zion of the Holy One of Israel ! Is not that what we see in Rev 3:12
12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
And the title Jesus identifies Himself with to the Church of Philadelphia is the Holy One hence the link with Isa 60 !
The words 'They will know that I have loved thee " can be compared to Isa 43:4
4Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.
This gives us to understand, that John saw in the Church the realization and fulfillment of the Isaiah prophecies..
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beloved57
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We are demonstrating how the promises to Israel are being applied to the Church, hence linking them as the same..
Rev 7:15 states of the saints in The Heavenly Temple :
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
This scripture clearly seems to be a reference to Ezk 37:26-28
26Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
This connection appears to be true when we also look at Rev 21:3
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. cp with vs 27 of ezk 37
And this is followed by Rev 21:4,6
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
By the same OT references found Rev 7:16-17
16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
So we have the innumerable multitude of the Church, redeemed by the Blood, as being the fulfillment of a Prophecy regarding Israel's latter day restoration, we have an application of ezk 37:27 to the redeemed Church.
Rev 7:16 is a fulfillment of Isa 49:10
10They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Also another prophetic promise to Israel's restoration is applied to the church i.e Isa 25:8
8He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
Rev 7:17
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
All these are strong scriptural support for the Redeemed Church being the restored Israel..
Rev 7:15 states of the saints in The Heavenly Temple :
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
This scripture clearly seems to be a reference to Ezk 37:26-28
26Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
This connection appears to be true when we also look at Rev 21:3
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. cp with vs 27 of ezk 37
And this is followed by Rev 21:4,6
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
By the same OT references found Rev 7:16-17
16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
So we have the innumerable multitude of the Church, redeemed by the Blood, as being the fulfillment of a Prophecy regarding Israel's latter day restoration, we have an application of ezk 37:27 to the redeemed Church.
Rev 7:16 is a fulfillment of Isa 49:10
10They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Also another prophetic promise to Israel's restoration is applied to the church i.e Isa 25:8
8He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
Rev 7:17
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
All these are strong scriptural support for the Redeemed Church being the restored Israel..
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beloved57
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The book of revelation is a good book to show the connection of Israel and the Church, that the promises to Israel in the OT are fulfilled by the Jew and Gentile Church ..
In Rev 21:14
14And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
This is the wall of the city of the New Jerusalem, the city Abraham hoped for Heb 11:10
10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
and had Twelve foundation stones, on which were written the names of the Twelve Apostles.
And in vs 12 it speaks of the Twelve Gates :
12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
The number Twenty Four, which is the total of the Twelve Tribes and the Twelve Apostles, This number mentioned earlier in Rev 4:4
4And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
This could be alluding to Davids Kingdom organization of the Temple servants into 24 orders of Priest see 1 Chron 24:3-19, 24 Levitical gatekeepers 26:17-19; and 24 orders of priest 25:6-31
The Prophesied City Temple structure in Ezk 40-48 finds it's fulfillment in the Twelve Tribe/ Twelve Apostle City Temple in Rev 21, all the redeemed Church of God..
In Rev 21:14
14And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
This is the wall of the city of the New Jerusalem, the city Abraham hoped for Heb 11:10
10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
and had Twelve foundation stones, on which were written the names of the Twelve Apostles.
And in vs 12 it speaks of the Twelve Gates :
12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
The number Twenty Four, which is the total of the Twelve Tribes and the Twelve Apostles, This number mentioned earlier in Rev 4:4
4And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
This could be alluding to Davids Kingdom organization of the Temple servants into 24 orders of Priest see 1 Chron 24:3-19, 24 Levitical gatekeepers 26:17-19; and 24 orders of priest 25:6-31
The Prophesied City Temple structure in Ezk 40-48 finds it's fulfillment in the Twelve Tribe/ Twelve Apostle City Temple in Rev 21, all the redeemed Church of God..
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