Cause you have it wrong.
a fertiziled human egg is not "potential life" but ACTUAL LIFE
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Cause you have it wrong.
So let's focus on war, capital punishment, and genocide as well. And the life and care of human beings AFTER they are born.
Pope Francis has it down pat. He's morally consistent and I have respect for that. But of course his actions remind us of what we have all forgotten about when it comes to Jesus.
kiwimacahau
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Aha, yup right . . .
Be ignorant if you want.
WizardofOz
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You're wrong, biologically speaking. When is the very beginning of each individual human life? You tell us...
Genesis tells us that human life began when Adam took his first breath after God breathed into his nostrils.
But because my comments and observations are often judged as blasphemous and disruptive, I might well be banned for pointing this out.
WizardofOz
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What was Adam prior? He didn't didn't exactly have a typical human development. He certainly was never a fertilized egg.
What, you don't like it when debate can no longer take place?
If he was, the literal text is not clear on that point is it?What was Adam prior? He didn't didn't exactly have a typical human development. He certainly was never a fertilized egg.
What, you don't like it when debate can no longer take place?
We can only go by what is there. Arguing from absence makes no common sense.
For example, Paul clearly says Jesus was buried. Does he mean in the ground? Well, he certainly describes the resurrection in metaphors for burying and harvesting out of the soil.
He appears to have had no knowledge of the empty tomb tradition and that would be believable since his letters were the first and earliest contributions to the New Testament. But based on what is actually there IN the text, we cannot say for sure.
WizardofOz
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My point is that since Adam was created as a man, not as a baby, he has no bearing on the debate of when human life begins.
Diverse and authentic debate enlarges the pool of meaning. Diversity is healthy in a farmer's crop, a rain forest or a president's cabinet. Or any other population.What, you don't like it when debate can no longer take place?
http://www.amazon.com/The-Wisdom-Crowds-James-Surowiecki/dp/0385721706
It is interesting that you seem to have mischaracterized my comments. I was not referring to debate at ALL !
I look at that story in terms of myth, which is the closest thing we humans have for explaining absolute truth.
I don't believe in people being created 6,000 years ago by a giant figure in the sky.
But nevertheless, the Bible has much to enlighten and teach us.
WizardofOz
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:chuckle: I was joking. I can't stand the current state of TOL moderation. What's the point of responding to a poster?
WizardofOz
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Agreed. Which follows that the topic of Adam is largely off-topic from the discussion of when human life begins...
Not to some committed Christians. But if they insist on taking the sacred and holy language of their Bible literally maybe we should just try to meet them there.
But what do I know?
WizardofOz
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Because that type of literalism would declare that no baby is a human until it takes its first breath.
republicanchick
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I believe Moses wrote Genesis (Adam and Eve)
He was the man closest to God in those days. He can be trusted.. whether the story is entirely literal or not
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He was the man closest to God in those days. He can be trusted.. whether the story is entirely literal or not
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Similar to the beginnings of each individual chicken.
And I don't speak biologically whilst I enjoy my eggs....with toast and butter. . . .it's poor for the digestion! :chew:
republicanchick
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The Jewish people wrote down their history
While thye were humans, nonetheless... they wrote down history, which history has been confirmed by pagan historians throughout history
There is something about the Word of God that just ... you just know it IS the Word of God... True, that "knowing" is not absolute, irrefutable proof... but you know.. so much of life is... faith
you get up every morning having faith in such things as
the coffee pot will make coffee 4 me
my car will get me there (probably)
if not, the mechanic can fix it
if not, some other mechanic can
and etc....
that's faith, too
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While thye were humans, nonetheless... they wrote down history, which history has been confirmed by pagan historians throughout history
There is something about the Word of God that just ... you just know it IS the Word of God... True, that "knowing" is not absolute, irrefutable proof... but you know.. so much of life is... faith
you get up every morning having faith in such things as
the coffee pot will make coffee 4 me
my car will get me there (probably)
if not, the mechanic can fix it
if not, some other mechanic can
and etc....
that's faith, too
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First, there are honest differences of opinion.
Second, abortion will always be an option for good people feeling trapped and discouraged because the surrounding culture does little to help them.
Third, I was amazed when I learned that certain folks in my own faith community were pro-life but then became definitely pro-family when their daughters got pregnant. Not a lot, but there WERE some.
Second, abortion will always be an option for good people feeling trapped and discouraged because the surrounding culture does little to help them.
Third, I was amazed when I learned that certain folks in my own faith community were pro-life but then became definitely pro-family when their daughters got pregnant. Not a lot, but there WERE some.
Adam became living with that first breath.
I see a connection. But of course I am one of those who picks up similar patterns in disparate places.