Lol, study the passages out.
ECT 2P2P forgot to tell us there were 2 gospels in Gal 3:8
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Lol, study the passages out.
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Fair enough, Ange.
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The gift of justification (blotting out sins) is what changes everything. That is why it is mentioned in Act 13's sermon. As the fulfillment of promises to Israel. That's the thing about all the passages that magnify Christ so completely: Eph 1, Col 1, Phil 2, Heb 1, etc. It is always because of the redemption that in Christ, it is never about the land promise. The land promise is absent from such passages in the NT.
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:chuckle:
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You have to PROVE to me that there is a NT / AAL passage where the land promise matters to the apostles.
Look for example at Acts 3's 'restoration of all things' at the end of time. The same apostle wrote 2 Peter 3 where there is nothing about an episode in the land, and the concepts match Paul in I Cor 15 about the 'turning over of this kingdom' back to the Father. Nothing about an episode in the land.
It doesn't need to happen.
It doesn't mean anything.
It is not in the NT / AAL.
We do not belong to a faith which has Judaistic appendage that will be exercised again; that is not the conclusion of the new covenant (which is eternal) in Heb 10:18. That is the official final word on what the new covenant is about. There will not be any more sacrifices.
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Why?
I've told you over and over and over and over and over again that the "NT" is concerned with the city and the heavens.
Show me where the land promises are canceled and I will believe it.
I will wait, forever.
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IP wrote:
We do not belong to a faith which has Judaistic appendage that will be exercised again; that is not the conclusion of the new covenant (which is eternal) in Heb 10:18. That is the official final word on what the new covenant is about. There will not be any more sacrifices.
So are you going to have your 'land' and not the worship system? Nope, that's not going to happen, except by man made delusion. You support a man-made delusion to re-practice Judaism after knowing and being warned by Hebrews.
We do not belong to a faith which has Judaistic appendage that will be exercised again; that is not the conclusion of the new covenant (which is eternal) in Heb 10:18. That is the official final word on what the new covenant is about. There will not be any more sacrifices.
So are you going to have your 'land' and not the worship system? Nope, that's not going to happen, except by man made delusion. You support a man-made delusion to re-practice Judaism after knowing and being warned by Hebrews.
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Hebrews is written to the kingdom of priests, not to those who will be on the earth in the future who are ruled with a rod of iron.
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There's the mistake. There is no such thing. You have one line in the REv to support that, and it goes against what the NT says about the OT on this. That's why you overturn things that are so simple like Gal 3:8 and Acts 2:30 with gross denial that that could be the kingdom now.
That 'very long reign of Christ' is now, as you can see by what follows, which is the NHNE.
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Hebrews is written to a kingdom of priests. The Lord Jesus Christ is their High Priest. Fact.
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:chuckle:
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We can know exactly when Christ begins to reign.
1 Cor 15
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
His reign begins when he comes, and ends when death is destroyed. You can read about death and hell being cast into the Lake of Fire in the Revelation 20.
1 Cor 15
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
His reign begins when he comes, and ends when death is destroyed. You can read about death and hell being cast into the Lake of Fire in the Revelation 20.
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You just can't read my friend. It's ALREADY GOING in v24. You're going to have to work on that. The kingdom is full of contradictions, as many parables show. (the weeds grow with the wheat, etc). Because it is the overlap of the new creation on top of the old.
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Rich IP wishes to point out another sub-debate of this is from Jn 5:24-25 with Rev 20:5. The first resurrection people are already risen and are the 'cloud of witnesses.' They are also reigning with Christ in the same sense that the kingdom is here now, and it is the same period of time.
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:chuckle:
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The first resurrection happens AFTER this in Rev 19,
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
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But the kingdom of Christ is happening now; Acts 2:30, 31. It exists by proclaiming it. It does not have offices in NYC and Tel Aviv.
The belief that Babylon was Judaism, and that that harlot was devoured by the beast of Rome is why the victory songs of ch 19 are there. Reformation Christians including Jennings who put together the verses for Handel's Messiah place the victory after the resurrection (although there is detail in Rev 18-19 to place it after 'Babylon' falls).
Those believes who died either due to Rome or the zealots in the destruction of Israel are memorialized in these verses and reign with Christ now, and are priests now (cp ch 1). This is why the Rev was written: to help the survivors of that cope with what had happened.
The belief that Babylon was Judaism, and that that harlot was devoured by the beast of Rome is why the victory songs of ch 19 are there. Reformation Christians including Jennings who put together the verses for Handel's Messiah place the victory after the resurrection (although there is detail in Rev 18-19 to place it after 'Babylon' falls).
Those believes who died either due to Rome or the zealots in the destruction of Israel are memorialized in these verses and reign with Christ now, and are priests now (cp ch 1). This is why the Rev was written: to help the survivors of that cope with what had happened.
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The first resurrection happens AFTER this in Rev 19,
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
SaulToPaul 2
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Made up, or lifted out of a theology book.
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