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Values follow faith and actions follow values Walking it backwards: - adverse policies flow from adverse values - adverse values flow from adverse faith bad policies, bad values, bad faith By their fruits ye shall know them Joe's fruits:

all same same

Oh I thought he was Batman

Who are you? : idunno:

During not only one but two! (count 'em 2!!) Democrat administrations :)

I believe he did

The optics that counted during his long career as a Senator from Delaware. Today? We'll see him eaten by his own before long.

That's fine. Unlike @Lon, I never believe that you and I have common ground anymore. Not since you've decided to embrace evil.

I was referring to him having been on my radar for the last 45 years. Or is a venal, career politician who knows the value of the optics.

Right, because it involves the murder of a child instead of merely the sexual abuse.

A priest hears in confession that a parishioner has been raping his 6 year old daughter and intends to continue doing so. The priest doesn't have the autonomy to deny him communion?

And the RCC hierarchy made the same argument regarding the child abuse scandals.

Priests don't have that degree of autonomy when dealing with their parishioners?

By treating them as doctrinal matters It should be a law enforcement issue as it deals with the murder of a child.

You know what I'm REALLY outraged about?

I too feel that no one should be a Roman Catholic and yet I can feel outrage over the way they mishandled the child abuse scandals over the years. Do you see transparency in that? Or do you suppose that your interpretation is biased by your obsession with our former president?

Nor have I

Joe is and always has been a mean-spirited, venal man. He's been on my radar since the late seventies when my best friend was in the same school and the same program that Joe had been in 10 years prior and had almost flunked out of. I've never seen any reason, in his public persona, to believe...

Joe is an unrepentant rapist and an encourager of grave, mortal sins such as the murder of children and homosexuality. By the rules of the RCC, he should be excommunicated.