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  1. Clete

    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    There is no such thing as any doctrinal statement or theological system that you have any rational grounds whatsoever by which to falsify. Falsify! Forget falsification, you've just undermined any ability to even vaguely refute any wild-eyed wack job's doctrinal claim. If David Koresh wants to...
  2. Clete

    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    Which of the doctrines I listed are you suggesting one can omit and still be saved?
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    That is a very doctrinal statement you just made! This too is a very doctrinal statement you're making. The single most doctrinal statement you've made yet! Is the Holy Spirit confined to the doctrinal system that you are here proposing - That is, the one that says that it isn't about...
  4. Clete

    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    "Words have no meaning." :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    It's a common mistake and it's surprisingly easy to miss the fact that you're making it, or at least it is in today's society where people haven't ever really been taught to even look for such things. It's annoying when people who aught to know better commit this sort of error but I don't think...
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    Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

    I could have made that prediction. Predicting the actions of groups isn't hard even for us fallible human beings. It's child's play for God. Also, stating that it is a "future event that will happen" is overstating it. It is a future event that will almost certainly happen. People that God...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    There isn't anyone who knows anything about me or my doctrine who could rightly accuse me of preaching a works-righteousness. Also, I've never known anyone who articulated your point here who could explain to me the difference inherent in the distinction you are making. The fact is that "Faith...
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    Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

    No one here is disputing the existence of prophesy. God makes prophesies and carries most of them out. Has anyone ever shown you a list of prophesies that didn't come to pass? I mean, such lists don't sell a lot of books at the local Christian book store but such lists do exist. There's a whole...
  9. Clete

    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    I don't care about the rule book. It's just boring! The man needs to use his own mind and have a actual conversation with people.
  10. Clete

    What did you believe before Open Theism?

    First and foremost because it is neither biblical nor rational. Saying it doesn't make it so. Saying it doesn't make it so. Open Theism is much older than the 1980s. That particular title for it showed up in the 80s but the doctrine is as old as the scripture itself. I don't care what...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    Well, that list is intended to be the "gospel proper". It is a list of the doctrines one must believe in order to be an actual saved Christian. It is not necessary to believe in OSAS in order to be saved and so it wouldn't quite fit on that particular list.
  12. Clete

    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    I read the scripture like it is written in normal human language that means what it plainly states unless good contextual or grammatical reasons are given to do otherwise. If whatever it is you are doing with it were valid, there'd be no way to falsify any wild-eyed doctrine any crank wanted to...
  13. Clete

    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    And any of that is relevant, how? Maybe try to actually respond rather than just copy/pasting stuff from a favorite teacher? Also, you really do need to get it through your skull that I (we) do not care what the "Church Fathers" said. The degree to which your arguments are both rational and...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    It is what they all believed and taught! More than that, it is the logically inevitable position given their allegiance to the Aristotelian notion of an immutable God. The point being that what the reformers said isn't authoritative, scripture is! A point that even the Reformers would have at...
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    Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

    Foreknowledge "causing or approving it" isn't the issue nor the argument. There are several problems with the idea of exhaustive foreknowledge, not the least of which is that the bible does not teach it but your statement has to do with the issue of justice and so let's look at that issue in...
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    Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

    There was no insult intended. I've just been doing this for decades and already know all of your proof texts. None of them say what you likely believe them to say. If anything, my comments were simply intended as a challenge. Prove me wrong. Quite! Don't take my directness as hostility. So long...
  17. Clete

    Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

    No, you read that into whatever passages you're thinking of. Biblically, God knows what He wants to know of that information that is knowable. There is not one single syllable of the bible you can find that will contradict that statement. Any and every attempt you make will require you to read...
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    Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

    Biblical is what it is. It's only heretical for those who worship Aristotle's god.
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    Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

    Saying it doesn't make it so!
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    Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

    Brilliant point!
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