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  1. MWinther

    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    Paul is speaking here about moral conduct. As the Reformers made clear, this does not bring us any closer to God. That view is works‑righteousness, and the Reformers explicitly rejected it. Of course we are to follow the moral law written on the heart, but we must also submit to the guidance of...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    It seems the only response you people can muster is a John Cleese-style "No it isn't!" from the "Argument Clinic." Humanity's original relationship with God will be restored only after the eschatological resurrection. There is no cumulative progress before that moment, because evil is parasitic...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    The world is no longer a field of divine forces, angelic agencies, or sacred causal chains; it becomes the arena of creaturely action governed by natural law. Disenchantment is therefore not a loss but the metaphysical prerequisite for creation itself. Only when the world is emptied of divine...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    You are reasoning far too materialistically, just as many Christians do today. The universe will be created anew, and in that renewed order material substance will share the very nature of the glorified body. Isaiah speaks explicitly of "new heavens and a new earth" in Isaiah 65:17 and 66:22...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    Nonsense. The Church Fathers never taught that the Church has a different destiny from Israel. They saw one people of God, not two. Paul never says that Israel gets the earth and the Church gets heaven. There aren't two different homelands; there's only one olive tree (Romans 11).
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    These are mere words, serving a therapeutic purpose at best. Or will you argue, with radical Reformed theologians, that God's glorious governance finds expression in the Holocaust, the Holodomor, the mass starvations under Mao, and the world wars with their millions of victims?
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    Indeed, the kingdom of God is eschatological. It will become our new homeland at the end of the age, but for now it exists as a heavenly realm.
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    When questioned by Pilate, Jesus declares: "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36). Christ's kingdom is not embedded in the immanent order. It is a transcendent reality, accessed through vertical participation. This is precisely why the modern, disenchanted worldview, where nature is...
  9. MWinther

    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    I am not denying the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. That indwelling is vertical participation, the ascent of the creature towards the transcendent God, and it is central to my argument. Nothing in my position contradicts Paul's teaching that the Spirit dwells in the believer. The question at...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    According to Gregory of Nyssa, Gregory Nazianzen, and Pseudo‑Dionysius divine presence is veiled to allow creatures to exist as creatures. Aquinas and Bonaventure both teach that Creation requires a kind of divine reticence. In Luther's theology God's hiddenness is necessary for faith and for...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    Nietzsche claimed that Christianity is nihilism, and he was half right. The Christian movement of alienation and disenchantment divides into two paths: nihilism and heavenly participation. It is clear from Jesus' message that he opens the way to both heaven and hell. I have never claimed that...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    The 16th‑century Kabbalist Rabbi Isaac Luria offered a brilliant theological response to a classic paradox: How can an infinite, omnipresent God create a finite world without ceasing to be infinite? If God fills all reality, then there is no "space" (conceptual or otherwise) for anything that is...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    This is the mythic perception that Christianity preserves alongside its transcendent perspective, because our imagination can render spirit only through naïve, earthly images. Once, humans imagined themselves living together with the gods. This is a common motif in world religions, expressing...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    My three latest articles deal with precisely this. In pagan times, people believed the world was suffused with divine powers. Christianity marks the abolition of that worldview and the turn towards a transcendent perspective.
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    If God were present in the world in the same way creatures are present then nothing else could truly exist in its own right. A world saturated by divine immediacy would be swallowed by it. Creaturely independence would collapse. Every causal chain, every intention, every movement would be divine...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    The divine is now absent from the world. Isn't that simply a fact? We have become thoroughly secularized. Is this the hidden problem for Christians, that the world is disenchanted? Stop pretending it isn't.
  17. MWinther

    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    The apostles were not serene, confident mystics awaiting resurrection. They were shattered human beings, and the New Testament is remarkably honest about it. Pentecost, in this light, is a reconstitution of a broken community. Taken together, the evidence is overwhelming: Peter says, "I am...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    It was the Catholic theologian Hans Urs von Balthasar who introduced the idea that we are actors on the stage of God's drama. The concept has gained little traction among theologians. Its structure is essentially pagan. A pagan impulse has always been present within Christianity, especially...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    He left the apostles, and it shattered them. They had not anticipated it. But then Pentecost came, and the Holy Spirit descended. That is the pattern: the world remains empty of the divine unless God chooses to enter it. We are meant to relinquish the notion that we are naturally immersed in the...
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    Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

    The words are heavy with meaning. The Fall was thereby brought to completion, and humanity gradually came to perceive the cosmos as disenchanted. Today, for the first time in human history, we no longer live surrounded by spirits and demons. As Jean‑Luc Nancy observes, Christianity designates...
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