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Are you trying to reach me? :maxi: Remember, not one single argument for either side has originated from us or any one else on this website. That's why it's not personal and why I have not made up my mind yet. The devil's advocate is not really the devil, right? :devil: I never said that my...

My next objection to this video is that on a flat earth density and buoyancy account for why some things go up and other things go down. On a globe density and buoyancy are not enough so a third force was not discovered it was imagined. Gravity is imagined as to why things don't fly off a...

You are not reading all my posts. Heliocentrism from the Phythagoreans was rejected by Plato and Aristotle, They were all philosophers. Their beliefs had much to do with their cosmology. It was a package deal. God, or no God, and cosmology go hand and hand from past to present. Hello!!! --Dave

I too am learning far more about the cosmologies through history then I ever thought to consider before. I didn't know that Plato and Aristotle gave us geocentrism over Pythagorean heliocentrism. I always ask why they believed it, which for me is as important as the what they believed, followed...

Modern cosmological theories incorporate a philosophy. So did geocentrism and flat earth. Does heliocentrism incorporate a philosophy as well? I believe it does. --Dave

My first reaction to the video is that water seeks it own level is affirmed and we can see across a vast distance of it, from left to right and see no curvature along the horizon. So why should any one believe that the view straight ahead of us contains a "visible curve", as ships sail away from...

The problem with this video is that it does not accurately represent the flat earth model. I had not real idea at first what the flat earth model was like but I was fair enough to look at it correctly as they presented it. It's hard to refute something you don't know any thing about. So, for...

I do not go to ebooks, ever. I put quotes and say at the end all quotes are wikipedia unless other wise stated. I go to wiki for obvious reasons. If I go to a website I put the title as a link so others can read it for themselves. That's why you see some of my quotes or titles in "blue". I...

All the posted videos have shown that flat earthers argue that, "What the globe model does necessarily derive from is careful observation of the world around us and clear thinking about what is observed," is absolutely false. They argue that there are hundreds of visible proofs of a stationary...

These are not entire articles, these are quotes from "different" articles in Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia, so you won't be hearing from them. If I get information from a website I take only enough and say there is more information at the site if any one is interested. This subject...

Greek Pythagorean universe of Philolaus Philolaus "Philolaus was a Greek Pythagorean and Presocratic philosopher. He argued that at the foundation of everything is the part played by the limiting and limitless, which combine together in a harmony. He is also credited with originating the theory...

I was attacking Pythagoras's cosmology. I think others will see that. There is no implication from my argument that because his cosmology is wrong that his geometry is wrong. His cosmology is wrong because it's an evolved universe not a created one. The universe is no more evolved than man is...

Daytime Lunar Eclipse Footage Debunks The Ball Earth - The Flat Earth Reality The umbra from the rising sun should cover the bottom of the moon with a shadow as it sets. But it does not. "An interesting observation to attempt would be to view the eclipsed setting Moon and the rising Sun...

I am calling into question the Pythagorean Cosmology not his geometry. The two are not the same thing. Not everything about him is false. You should no better than to use "sloppy" straw man arguments. Apeiron/Pythagorean Cosmology "The apeiron is central to the cosmological theory created by...

I have grown up with the globe model, I know the arguments and so called evidence for it. The flat earth model counters it with it's evidence and arguments. Since I know both sides it is you who will not hear the other side. Both sides say they have facts on the matter, I say lets compare and...

I have posted my answer to you but it's not the answer you want. You are asking me a "loaded question". I will not move my king into your trap for a check mate. If you ever played chess you'll get my point. If you understand logical fallacies you'll stop asking me this question. --Dave

I have given plenty of reasons, but they are not reasons enough to suit you. That's good, I will not take a position on anything unless I have enough reasons as well. --Dave

I'm not making an equivalence argument, I'm giving a brief step by step general view of the history of cosmology and it is correct. The men who gave us the official view from Aristarchus and Pythagoras, to Copernicus and Newton, and to Einstein and Hawking, have established a cosmology that is a...

Just who do you think you are to speak on behave of "other people"? Speak for your self and let other people make up their own minds. I doubt you have spent much time at all studying cosmology and you certainly have spent no time considering flat Biblical earth. You're afraid to do it, you don't...

Who do you think you are to decide what is and is not a rational world view? You simply neither have the nerve nor the will to challenge or counter "popular" cosmology. Today, "Multi Universe" cosmology and quantum physics is used to counter the "fine tuning/intelligently designed" reality of...