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Everyone is free to make what ever comment they want on my thread. As far as "motions of objects relative to one another" I think my answer is clear. Things move or they don't move regardless of what may or may not be moving else where. The problem that has been created is that of the...

The relevance is that the tests by Michelson to measure the movement of earth through "space" revealed the earth was not moving. That space contained an ether or not was irrelevant. Einstein proposed relativity in an attempt to explain why these tests failed to show the earth was moving. How...

I know what this thread is about because I started it so please pay attention to what I post. --Dave

Earth is a solid with water on it's surface. The earth, like anything else, either moves or not, not because something else is moving or not. Relativity is an irrational theory. "The Relativity Fraud" In this video every so called proof of relativity is shown to be false. For example,the...

Never said water was a solid. The earth is either in motion or it's not. Relativity has nothing to do with it. "Objects in space are motionless relative to themselves", is a meaningless self contradicting statement. --Dave

It is. Things that are moving through the atmosphere are moving over a "motionless" earth. This is what we all see and experience. --Dave

I can easily understand what you're saying, we just don't experience or observe a moving earth. A moving earth is inconsistent with everything else we see and observe moving through the atmosphere without the atmosphere moving with it. --Dave

Everything, that is a solid, on and above the earth that moves, moves through the atmosphere. The atmosphere does not move with the things that move on or above the earth. The earth itself is a solid and if it is spinning then it would only be reasonable that it would be consistent with...

You have no proof. --Dave

So you have no proof. --Dave

Can't prove a negative. If it's such a simple thing that even a child can understand you should have no trouble doing it. Prove the atmosphere moves with the earth. --Dave

Prove the atmosphere moves with the earth. --Dave

The atmosphere is not moving with the earth. --Dave

The earth is not moving the atmosphere. --Dave

The sun, moon, and stars or other planets have no life, no trees, no water, which means they have no atmosphere such as we have on earth. That they have may or may not have gases is not the point. And since we have never been anywhere else other than earth, as I have argued, then we have no way...

But just try riding "on top" of the train instead of "inside" of it and your experience is quite different. When you're on top of a moving train you know you are moving and the earth around you is not moving. We are on top of a moving earth not inside of a moving earth. --Dave

The first rule of rational though is distinction. A thing is what it is and not something else. The law of identity. It's irrational to say the atmosphere is part of the earth. It's distinct from the earth and not anymore part of it than atmospheres are part of sun, moon, or other planets, and...

The earth does not move. --Dave

The earth is not the atmosphere. Solids things move through gases and liquids. --Dave

I meant 1,000 mph not 10,000, my mistake. I just typed in one too many zeros. That everything on earth can cut right through the atmosphere but the spinning earth does not is a clear and obvious contradiction. "I'm not even sure how to answer this stupidity..." You can't answer this because...