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I agree with you, but in this case our perceptions contradict reality. This is different than saying there are other things in reality we do not perceive. --Dave

I want you to know I watched the video. It's getting late and I have to get up early for work, but I will watch it again and ask you some questions about your work and the satellite. --Dave

The greater force will over come the lesser ones. Molecules being pulled by gravity at 700 mph in the direction of earth's spin is senseless. Someone said we must image we are in a rocket ship travelling through space. I agree. Only a solid dome covering the whole earth like the hull of a...

Motionless is the antithesis of motion. Can't have one without the other. The earth is God's immovable reference point for everything else in the cosmos that is in motion. This is a proposition, not a proof. --Dave

At least we have some agreement. I like that. "If" the earth is flat and covered by a dome then everything we have been told about the nature, size, and distance of stars is wrong. That's not to say they are merely a projection but Genesis says they are made to give light. God cannot be a...

That you think you "destroy my arguments" makes me laugh. Let me just show you how illiterate you can be. Myth of the flat Earth "The myth of the flat Earth is a modern misconception that Earth was believed to be flat rather than spherical by scholars and the educated during the Middle Ages in...

A plane moving at 700 mph and less is no match for a gravitational pull that moves the atmosphere at a speed of over 1000 mph in one direction. --Dave

We must establish a stationary reference point is what you mean. Something in motion is meaningless without the existence of something that is not in motion. The earth is God's immovable reference point for everything else in the cosmos that is in motion. --Dave

See my answer to JudgeRightly --Dave

You should answer my whole point instead of breaking it up. First I did not say that there was no atmosphere on heavenly bodies, I said they have no atmosphere to support life. The question I was answering was, if the sun, moon, and stars are a globe or ball, then why not the earth. My answer...

I want to thank you for all your great posts. The spinning globe certainly has a number of inconsistencies that defy logic. Your plane circling Dallas was a good example for a motionless earth. Why is Dallas not moving away from the circling plane? Planes are said not to be effected by the...

It does indeed seem inconsistent to believe in the heliocentric universe without the "big bang" and the subsequent "evolution of the cosmos" that is followed by the "evolution of biology and man". Sadly, to many "Evangelical" Christian theologians and apologists today are turning to evolution...

But you can't establish a speed of 100 miles an hour without the road. You have no reference point to say the cars are traveling at 100 miles and hour without the road. Relative "only" to each other they are not traveling at 200 miles per hour or at any knowable speed. Two cars passing each...

Yes, I have ignored your posts. My apology. You certainly have been respectful. This thread has not flowed from a beginning point toward a goal and therefore has been all over the place and at times hard for me to keep up with. I didn't know from the outset this thread would become so popular...

I would like to know more about your and Rocketman's work. What satellites have you worked on. --Dave

I play Devils advocate because I have doubts about the heliocentric model. I've said all along that there are good arguments and evidence for both model's and I have not been able to reconcile these differences. I hope you're not beyond understanding that this is a "genuine dilemma" for many...

This thread, and any other debate, is not about asserting one position over an other. It's also about refuting the other position. I have stated many times that there are good arguments and evidence for the heliocentric model. But there are also good arguments and evidence for flat motionless...

The moon, sun, and stars have no trees, no water, no life, no atmosphere to support life, etc. Why do you think the earth would be the same? The sun, moon, and stars appear to move over us. We see and experience a motionless flat earth. In the heliocentric model our experience and perceptions...

What really bothers me I have argued with many here for a number years for open theism and free will which I call Dynamic Free Theism. I have argued with many here for creationism and against evolution. I stared studying cosmology to push back on Einsteins spacetime block universe, multiverse...

There are a number of videos that deal with this. I presented them and you all dismissed them with out viewing them. Now deal with my objections about the globe and rivers if you can. If you're done then that means you can't deal with my arguments. And don't tell me you have because you...