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LOL Clete wrote: "Salvation is not future, it is present. We are sealed (not "held") by the Holy Spirit which has been given to us as an earnest payment guaranteeing our safe deliverance to the Day of Redemption." What part of my sentence could you not comprehend? We said 99.9 % the same...

I think I've discovered three trolls. Their only job is to deny deny deny and usually with very little scripture. Funny sometimes they agree with me on things and don't even see it. My opinion is: You have come just to argue... debate ... what ever you want to call it and you are not very good...

You and I agree that both were God. You are incorrect. In just one example the truth is so clear. 74 men of Israel saw the LORD seated on a throne. They saw God and ate a meal in his presence and were not harmed. Just what do you think they saw Right Divider? Find this scripture, read the event...

I'm a scriptural-ist. I believe Jesus and the Father are the same God. How you ask: Jesus was God because he was given the spirit of God without measure when he worked on earth. He was the invisible but audible eternal WORD of God before the world was created. He was God and was with God and was...

Then why did Jesus say this? John 5:17 My Father worketh hitherto and I work. Which means God as the Messiah Son of God Emmanuel Lord Jesus worked in his day just as the Father worked in his day? But as both being God bearing God's created one presence they both worked in tandem/together to...

I asked you for an explanation ... and what you gave me was not an answer. You just parroted a statement that I don't even know is true. {No other theologian ... has ever said what I said.] Seems you don't know how to a request... Yes, he existed always not being created as The WORD of God ...

Yes! Praise my God and Savior. Isaiah 43:11: I [God the invisible Spirit] even I, am the LORD [God who appeared face to face to Moses] beside ME there is no Savior. IOW, God the Spirit is The LORD God/YHWH and is Emanuel the Savior. One God Clete, do you know that The ONE Spiritual God...

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I agree they need to know about it. It just seems that it was made for the angels. I believe hell is the place of suffering for humanity and that angels have not yet suffered any sort of hell. They haven't even gone to the PIT. The PIT was a place the legions of angels did not want to go at the...

LOL. I only said I would try. LOL. You really get all stirred up. Well, a yes and no can come quickly. I guess you don't like the input I use to come up with my yes and no. You are really fussy. Do you want to try again for a yes or no? Maybe list your question and I'll try.

I'll try to be succinct but if you have questions, ask or go to the chapters and read. The events and clues begin in Gen. 18: First clue: 1.) And The LORD appeared unto him [Abraham.] Abraham saw three super-natural men and he recognized the appearance of the LORD. Abraham only uses the name...

My definition of a trinitarian is: There is one Spiritual God and he came among men by way of his image as the LORD Father and later as The begotten Son and is now among his followers as his Holy Spirit in us. I definitely believe this statement. Please tell me where I go wrong? I will stop...

Perhaps by your definition and by others I am not a trinitarian. ??? I call myself one because I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. I believe, and I think scripture bears me out, they are the one God. Clete, explain to me where I'm going wrong with my definition. I believe in...

I looked above and I have not stone-walled in answering your question. Recheck my replies above to you. I believe the ONE God is spiritual and invisible to men and angels ... Here is how I believe he manifests himself within creation as two sentient visible presences. God created an image for...

Thank you so much for such a nice an thorough reply. Isn't the second DEATH for mankind a form of everlasting punishment? IOW, a person is finally dead and gone for ever. Now, mankind experiences the first death ...one where we have a ceremony and where his spirit goes to a place of heat and...

I'm jumping back in this thread with my thoughts on the topic. Probably will repeat some things. 1.) First, at this time, I do not believe humans will suffer eternally in the Lake of Fire. 2.) I do believe lost souls continue to suffer in a place most people call hell. Can you imagine how...

Good for you. God bless.

I believe God is an invisible Spirit. There is only one God. A God of miracles. He was able to come into the world appearing as a supernatural presence, which worked among men in the OT. Became known as The Angel of The LORD ... and also as The Father of Israel. This ONE invisible spiritual...

If God had not given his begotten Son the right to forgive sins; if God had not been able to raise the cursed body of Jesus's human flesh; if God had not chosen to give Jesus the right to leave the Holy Spirit in the world for humanity, there could be no regeneration of body and soul. I once...

I appreciate your pointing out the word regeneration. I do believe that through the Holy Spirit in the followers of Christ there is a process of regeneration taking place. For the here and now the Holy Spirit teaches us, helps us have faith, gives us the strength we need to reject acts of sin...