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  1. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Repeating you position doesn't count as an argument. Ignoring my argument doesn't count as a response. Until you respond with some sort of substance, I'll assume you have nothing of substance to respond with. The fact is that I can be moved but not by obfuscation and mischaracterizations. If...
  2. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Once again, I am both discourage and encouraged by the fact that, in order to reject my doctrine, people are forced to mischaracterize it and put words in my mouth that would never otherwise be there. Discouraged especially because those who do it seem to be the ones quickest to accuse me of...
  3. Clete

    Guns!

    That guy needs a much higher quality backpack with legitimate straps that properly support the weight across his whole upper torso. Based on the age of the image, the ammo there is likely .227. If it were anything bigger, he'd get knocked off his feet with the way that backpack is shifting his...
  4. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Neither passage refers to a person who is severely backslidden. As such your post is unresponsive to the question at hand. We are not here talking about the average Christian, and even less about people who we might consider to be strong in the faith. Their reaction to meeting God is obvious...
  5. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Now which of us is being dishonest, RD? The Day of Redemption is the day we are discussing. I'm pretty sure you knew that already. Then don't refute anything. Just respond to the following.... A woman grows up in church, becomes a believer in Christ and is genuinely saved. Later in life, she...
  6. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I don't follow. What "dead babies question", and how does it connect to Option 2? Everyone who doesn't end up in either the New Heaven or the New Earth will find the Lake of Fire. Right?
  7. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I am under the impression, although I could not establish it at the moment, that the day of redemption is the day when the process begins of Christians going through a judgement where we will receive rewards or suffer the loss of rewards. (I Corinthians 3:13–15; II Corinthians 5:10) This is...
  8. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Ideas have consequences Right Divider, as you well know! Why will you not engage the argument? On that day, one of three things will happen... Option 1: She (i.e. a severely backslidden Christian) joyfully embraces God as He truly is If this is your answer, then you're conceding my core...
  9. Clete

    Different Stuff

    It's so frustrating that such a plainly obvious fact of not only history but of LONG establish philosophy has to continually be restated over and over again.
  10. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    We agree! I ask again.... In what way then does my example fail? Forget using Hillary Clinton as a specific example. Perhaps that's too much of a hypothetical for your mind to wrap itself around. Just keep it generic if that helps. Just assume a severely backslidden Christian finds himself...
  11. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    How so? All saved persons will be. All of them! Do you acknowledge the possibility of a back-slidden Christian? If not then what do you do with I Corinthians 3:1–3, Galatians 5:4 & Galatians 6:1? If you do acknowledge the existence of back-slidden Christians, are you suggesting that such a...
  12. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I don't understand. She will have been delivered there the same way as anyone else.
  13. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    It is a stretch, I grant, and while it is a distinct possibility, it was presented as a hypothetical for the sake of argument. "For the sake of argument, let's suppose that she did. Assume Hillary Clinton made a genuine profession of faith at some point in her life and was saved under Paul’s...
  14. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    It seems you are reacting to something that I am not saying. You know better than to accuse me of this. I meant every word I said. You and I are not the only two people reading this exchange. Just as importantly, the way you are using it is incompatible, logically, with a disagreement with my...
  15. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I wouldn't go so far as to say that "He might boot people out later" because the conditions that make rejection possible are not indefinitely self-sustaining once truth, clarity, and rightly ordered love are fully established. In our eternal state, ignorance is removed, deception is gone, trauma...
  16. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Saying it doesn't make it so. It's a metaphor. We are members of body of believers called "the Body of Christ". We are not literally Jesus' body parts. Your question implied it (at least potentially so). We do not add anything to God, nor is God diminished by our absence. God, by His very...
  17. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    God didn't need us when He created us and doesn't need us now. His existence and perfection is not, nor will it ever be contingent on us. To speak of us being one of God's "body parts" is to use metaphorical language. I suggest you look again. Satan believes in God's existence RD. Just...
  18. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    This thread has been stuck in my head all day. I simply cannot comprehend how this idea is even controversial. It seems like perfectly simple common sense stuff to me and so I'm going to make one more attempt to articulate it so that there can be no excuse for misunderstanding - not that any...
  19. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I have done no such thing. It never stops amazing me the consistency with which people who disagree with me are forced to mischaracterize what I've said so as to sound reasonable when they disagree. It has been the overarching theme of my theological life for more than two decades now...
  20. Clete

    Guns!

    Full disclosure: I haven't watched the video so what follows may not even address what it talks about. I'm just shooting the breeze here, killing time before I have to go to work. 10mm vs .45 ACP. Both seem to be using a sledge hammer to drive 16 penny nails. In 99% of cases, a .22 will get...
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