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Gobbledygook. The fact is you're denying the teaching authority of the Apostles, and it was the Apostles who wrote or approved of the Bible, that you're reading, concocting a new spin on it that the literal authors of Scripture taught directly against.

Vs. text from your own image, "Following this apostolic tradition . . . ." You equating Apostolic Tradition with "philosophy and empty deceit . . . human tradition . . . not according to Christ": Fail.

That isn't the case today, and nobody's arguing against a wanker's right to wank. There is no crime in wanking, and I'm not suggesting there is or should be. Forgive me, heaven forbid we sully your thread about perversion by discussing perversion. Masturbation is what homosexual people do...

You can't be so dense as to not recognize the parallel timeline these past decades of the normalization and acceptance of both masturbation and same-sex offenses. Used to be neither was approved. Now? They're both celebrated, both called healthy lifestyle choices. It's not a coincidence.

Plain. You can't be that dumb. So one can really only assume you're dodging.

Plain. I addressed what you said.

It's possible. Witness all the people like you who've not come to that conclusion. Begging the question. Serious question: Is it not like this for you? Are you, being Nontrinitarian, have difficulty seeing any other interpretation? Or is it easy for you to see the Trinity? I get it. You...

Yeah nobody does. I was just wondering if what you were saying had any source I could examine, because I had never heard that before, or, if you were basically just thinking out loud. Apparently, it's the latter.

Bald assertion. Begging the question. Ad hominem. Red herring. Those are your words, not mine. Bald assertion. I'm referencing the Church in the Bible. You made that up. The Mormons believe that the Apostles taught that masturbation is grave matter? Huh. I'm rubber and you're glue...

Cite?

The Apostles are in the Bible, and they taught it was grave matter. No, similarly for "If your eye causes you to sin . . . ." The context was looking upon a woman to lust for her. Points for imagination. The Catholic Church is the Church in the Bible. Not equal in all ways, just in...

No, it's actually Apostolic and always has been, and even the Lord Jesus Himself obliquely taught that it was a grave sin to practice. "If your hand causes you to sin . . . . " I judge same-sex masturbatory behavior the same as all masturbatory behavior, and so does the Church. They if done...

And masturbation.

Is the Holy City "Jerusalem which is above" (Gal4:26), or is it "Jerusalem which now is" (Gal4:25)? "[He] who was of the bondwoman" (Gal4:23), "Agar" (Gal4:24), "mount Sinai" (Gal4:25) and "Jerusalem which now is" (ibid.) all represent the same thing. "Jerusalem which is above" represents "the...

But it's literally "the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven" in the KJB. Do you deny that this is the same entity as in Galatians 4:26 ("Jerusalem which is above")? I don't have any reason to think these are different. Agreed.

You think "all" in Galatians 4:26 includes the Lord Jesus? I read that as all men, like us and the Apostles, but not to include the Son of God too. Besides, are you disagreeing that your scripture in Revelation and Galatians 4:26 refer to the same entity?

That's "Jerusalem which is above" from Galatians 4:26, "the mother of us all". Said by Paul, to the Gentile Galatians.

Right, but if you can demonstrate that the Apostles themselves believe it, then that would make it right.

No, I hold that morality is objective as an absolute. I don't hold that morality is subjective at all. It's important for me to clarify, that I mean by morality and morals, not "the moral of the story" or even when we talk about someone having either good or loose morals. I mean by...

Right, not typically, but mass murderers frequently do, in fact it's typical that a mass murder /massacre ends in the death of the mass murderer, whether by his (they're only males) hand or someone else's. Boulder is an exception that proves the rule, rather than typical of these infernal...