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Course there isn't. That was my whole point. And so, the conclusion is, that, since we know what fertile soil is, that it's made from sand and silt and clay (all rock), and from organic matter . . . which is dead stuff. But there was no dead stuff in Eden. That soil had never been alive...

Correctamundo, and I also subscribe to the other verses in 2nd Peter chapter three as well, like verses 10 and 12, we all Catholics believe in those verses, so I don't understand the position where Genesis chapter one and two are other than 2nd Peter 3:10 and 12. But, at the same time, I'm told...

Galatians 4 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts...

One secular (atheist) who believes as I do that the whole world is under 10000 years old? I don't know of any but I'm curious to see who you're talking about. What does that have to do with starlight coming from stars billions of lightyears away reaching us in under 10000 years? Was the...

So in sum, there is such a thing as a valid appeal to authority. "Supra." I haven't. Which was only an example of what I was talking about, which was the valid appeal to authority. I made my point, which is why you didn't contest it. Of course. In fact I said so. I said they are wrong...

Which means what? That I have to start believing in dinosaurs? Pass. I doubt it, but if you think so set it out. Oh.

Yes, actually. How can starlight from billions of lightyears away be seen by us on the earth if we've only been here for 10000 years or under? There hasn't been enough time. Which means that God created the universe in a mature state. Like He did Adam and Eve. And like the fertile soil of...

I believe the flood was real. I never said that you could. Oh.

And water is wet. That's not stopping cosmologists from doing cosmology. Anybody with a little knowledge and some fairly easy to obtain equipment can verify that starlight is billions of lightyears away.

The fertile soil in the Garden of Eden, and dinosaur fossils, are both "dead things". That's what fertile soil is made from, and that's what it's believed or supposed that dinosaur fossils are made from too. I'm looking for the word 'fossil' in Scripture and can't find it. So far as I know...

No. A reason why it is said that the (valid) appeal to authority is the weakest form of argument. Sure. Like, maybe not all cells have a nucleus. Maybe not all particles have mass. If the entire domain of biology or of particle physics uniformly teach otherwise, then while you can validly...

If you want to argue for example, that "all cells have a nucleus", and you name a PhD biologist who makes that same claim, and all PhD biologists concur with the named expert biologist, then your appeal to authority is valid. This serves as an example not only of a valid appeal to authority...

Just that we're all Christians, even though we disagree in our ecclesiology. Not like how He made the fossils. And all the stars and galaxies. And the fertile soil that bedded the Garden of Eden. I don't understand what you're saying, can you elaborate or try a different tack? I will...

Nope. Whenever you argue for an idea while naming as your source an authentic expert in that domain, who also claims what you are claiming, and that expert teaches what is uniformly taught by all the other authentic experts in that domain, that is a valid appeal to authority. The important...

Begging the question and invalid appeals to authority are tough to distinguish from valid arguments.

And also, why are you under the false impression that appeals to authority are ipso facto fallacious? Because you constantly appeal to the Bible's authority is all, to God's authority. Obviously you're wrong. Otherwise you couldn't appeal to either the authority of God or of the Bible without...

Oh it's so sad when someone who is clearly not mentally diminished fails to try hard. Yes I do know what begging the question is, for example, when you hold a pet theory, and an idea conflicts with it, and you reject that idea because and only because it conflicts with your pet theory, that is...

You're always welcome at Catholic (and I'm sure also at Orthodox) Mass, just don't receive Communion unless you're actually Catholic or Orthodox, and in full communion with the Church. Lots of monks were and are Catholic or Orthodox.

You are begging the question because of what your own personal theory is, you want to defend it, you've supposed that it's true, and so of course all the fossils must be from previously living things, even though you don't have the slightest biblical evidence consistent with dinosaurs. I'm...

But there is the vigil Mass, and Easter is celebrated also the night before. Basically if your local parish offers it you can go to Mass every Saturday and fulfill your weekly obligation (when the obligation is in force, which it hasn't been since some time in March round these parts (Boston)...