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  1. Clete

    Universal Legal Representation

    No, it wouldn't. It would just turn lawyers into slaves and you'd get the same quality of legal representation from them that you'd expect from any other sort of slave. Do you like the quality of service we're getting out of public school teachers? I can promise you that lawyers would be worse...
  2. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Asked and answered. The context determines it. Not just the context of the specific verse but of the whole bible as well. God did not create Himself but God did create light, Idolater. Light, unlike space and time, is a physical thing that exists in the physical/created universe. If God were...
  3. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Oh boy, here we go! That's because it sounded to me like that was your point. You didn't say it outright but you did a Mexican hat dance around it three times. It isn't the same question and your less than direct answer is what left the door open, not my question. I didn't declare anything...
  4. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Instead of belly-aching about it, why don't you just take his response at face value and respond to it with "It's not irrelevant just because you claim it to be. Explain why it's irrelevant."
  5. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    You could have simply said, "No, I don't think God authored the Bible." and saved yourself a lot of time. You have to understand that your post here, in the mind of most Christians, disqualifies you in any discussion that pertains to Christianity or the Christian worldview except as an...
  6. Clete

    Universal Legal Representation

    Tell that to Donald Trump. They aren't afraid to burn down your whole life if you say the wrong thing and they're happy to turn you into a ward of the state if you commit what they consider to be a crime. The left has no problem with enforcing arbitrary laws but let someone advocate for actual...
  7. Clete

    Universal Legal Representation

    So your solution is to force people to provide legal services for far less than that service is worth to people who cannot pay for it and have done nothing to earn it at the expense of people who do not need it and don't want to pay for it. Is there ANY law or policy that liberals advocate that...
  8. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    You have to read more than one verse at a time... I John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But...
  9. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    You're right, you can't conceive of whatever it is you're talking about. The reason you can't conceive of it is because it makes no sense. The reason it makes no sense is because you're contradicting yourself. Have you ever heard of a stolen concept fallacy? It happens when someone uses a...
  10. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    He is light in an analogous sense. He isn't talking about the sort of light you see with your eyes but about the kind of "light" that comes on when you understand something. God is the Logos not the light bulb! John 1:1 In the beginning was Logos, and Logos was with God, and Logos was God. 2...
  11. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    If I tell you that space does not exist, where do you get that I'm saying that it has always existed? It hasn't ever existed! Space is an abstraction. It is not a thing that exists ontologically. It is an idea. We use the concept to discuss where things are relative to other things. That's it...
  12. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    I love that you caught that I was alluding to the 'God did it' objection that atheist often throw around. Every time I hear it, I want to say, "Well, yeah! He did do it!" Anyway, whenever someone tries to explain these sorts of things, I always think of the miracles that Jesus performed. Do...
  13. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    I sort of intuitively buck an the very idea of thinking that we can explain such things. I don't mind it in terms of the mental exercise and I understand that you'll never answer questions that you don't try to answer but at the end of the day, there may very well be an insufficient amount of...
  14. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    What? I don't see ANY connection between what I said and pantheism. Explain it to me.
  15. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    No. Space is not a thing, it is an idea. Same goes for time. It's an idea and does not exist ontologically. Space is a convention of language that is used to convey information about the location and movement of things relative to other things. Time is a convention of language that is used to...
  16. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Stripes answer doesn't work. At least not as stated. First of all, it should be pointed out that we aren't told what the source of the light was and so we really don't know and so this is all speculation. That doesn't mean its a waste of time because it's valuable to think things through and...
  17. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    It seems I misunderstood you. Sorry. That's what happens when I try to cram in one more post when I'm really out of time and should be headed to work in the morning!
  18. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    The one has nothing to do with the other and it would NOT be consistent (i.e. rational) to take every passage of scripture "wooden and literally" as you put it. The passages that are allegorical are allegorical and the ones that are symbolic are symbolic and the ones that are literal are...
  19. Clete

    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    Better than you do! I've been doing this for thirty years. You aren't ever going to say a word that I have heard a thousand times.
  20. Clete

    Faith to believe on Christ !

    Once again, b57 rips a single sentence out of its context so that it can be used as a pretext for his doctrine which is hostile to God's character. If all you do is simply read two sentences before verse 48, you find a verse that b57 wouldn't quote if someone put a gun to his head because it...
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