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  1. Clete

    The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.

    So, you admit that it "looks like two separate authors" but believe Paul wrote Hebrews anyway. Why? How is that not believing in something in spite of evidence to the contrary? It looks like Matthew's gospel and Mark's gospel are written by two different authors. Both gospels are actually...
  2. Clete

    The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.

    It fascinates me how many people are willing to believe something with virtually no evidence whatsoever and/or treat something as though it were a matter of opinion as if it doesn't even really matter who's right and who's not. Is this how they do the rest of their doctrine? Unfortunately, for...
  3. Clete

    Faith to believe on Christ !

    You're not correct about that. B57 is a lot of things but he isn't stupid. He understands that evil people are alive and that God is Life and the ultimate source of all life. Also, he's perfectly well aware of Christ's teaching in Matthew... Matthew 5:45b ... for He makes His sun rise on the...
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    Jesus and Judas

    I very much doubt that we do have radically different points of view. Your reactions are too disconnected from reason for that to be the case. I don't think you understand at all what we're saying. There is a disconnect somewhere. You have some sort of idea about what we're saying that is very...
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    Jesus and Judas

    Why won't you answer direct questions? Your reaction makes no sense! I wasn't being sarcastic or flippant when I asked you to tell us what it is you think we're saying. There is simply no chance that you've got it right. It's flat out isn't possible! In your own words, just what exactly is it...
  6. Clete

    The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.

    It isn't a matter of opinion. When you say things that you know are false, its called "lying".
  7. Clete

    Jesus and Judas

    When you say things that you know are false, it is a lie, Gary. When you try to put words into other people mouths that you know don't fit, that too is a lie, Gary. Perjury is a form of lying. Perjury, however, is not merely lying, it is a crime. It also is the form of lying that is...
  8. Clete

    Jesus and Judas

    How is that even possible? Seriously! How is it even possible for such a thought to cross your mind? Do us all a favor and just do one simple thing. Do your best to put JR's position, and by extension my own position, into your own words. Just repeat back to us whatever it is you think we're...
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    Jesus and Judas

    Saying it doesn't make it so. What are you talking about, the book of James? When did anyone suggest that the book of James is your opinion? Why is it that when people are arguing a position that makes no sense, they always seem to devolve into single sentence responses to posts that took 45...
  10. Clete

    The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.

    You are a flat our liar and you ignore almost everything anyone says of any substance. I'm through wasting time on you.
  11. Clete

    Jesus and Judas

    No it doesn't. No, it doesn't. I've demonstrated otherwise. I'm done repeating myself. So says the idiot who's clearly incapable of adult conversation. Liar. No one said otherwise. Good bye.
  12. Clete

    Jesus and Judas

    Look, I'm really trying hard not be insulting and to give you every benefit of the doubt but this is just simple stupidity! No one has ever even suggested that God tempted anyone! What are you even talking about?
  13. Clete

    The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.

    It isn't important to affirmatively know who the author was but it would be a significant problem if it were proven that Paul was the author. It would be heavy, insurmountable, evidence that the New Testament was self-contradictory and therefore false. Quite true but it would significantly...
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    The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.

    I can't even believe you actually posted this for the public to read. You really should be embarrassed. First of all, a fallacy of logic is not a matter of personal opinion. I guarantee that you have no idea what an appeal to authority fallacy is and that you think it means more than it...
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    The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.

    Yes! There's terrific reason! The Holy Spirit didn't take over the mind and personality of those who authored the bible. Had that been the case then the entire bible would have been in a consistent style. Further, what sort of evidence that doesn't fit your narrative couldn't be thrown into...
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    The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.

    Yes, I've heard people say that before. I'm not sure what it is that they are referring to specifically but I have no reason to doubt that they have good reason to say it. Eloquence is a bit of a subjective thing and so, if it were me, I'd try to make the argument based on more objectively...
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    Jesus and Judas

    Look, I don't know who it is you're used to dealing with but I'm not stupid. You've now modified your position from Judas doing what he did on his own to now it was Satan who made him do it. Not that I disagree with the idea that Satan was involved but merely that you've modified your position...
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    The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.

    Appeal to authority fallacy. The article I linked to, on the other hand, made actual arguments based on the text of scripture and the message therein. Not the least of which, I alluded to by pointing out that Paul received "his gospel" by direct divine revelation. Galatians 1:11 But I make...
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    The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.

    Paul did not write Hebrews. I don't typically post links to other people's arguments but there's too much material and not enough time and I don't want to leave that claim without some support, therefore.... 11 reasons why Paul did not write Hebrews The most compelling argument, in my view...
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    Jesus and Judas

    It was a question, SKC, not an accusation. The idea was that if you didn't think it was a lucky coincidence, then what was it and how is it possible that God wasn't orchestrating the events of Calvary, including the ones that Judas had a hand in? This is my line. You are the one who is saying...
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