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We're stuck because you just are not getting the point about this light travel thing. It's important that you understand this because I think its been a problem for the "stretching out the heavens" proponents for quite a while and people aren't seeing the issue. Let's try it a step at a time...

I completely agree! The occasional onlooker and practice for one's own benefit is the only really good reason to be doing this in the first place. Well, know that your post edified me! So....not futile! God bless you! Clete

Excellent post! I have to say, I no longer have the patience required to discuss such thing with people. It seems to never bear any fruit except with those who already agree that such things are heresy. You could talk with this joker until you're blue in the face and it won't move him one...

Well, yes but the folks that adhere to the appearance of age theory typically take it very much too far. The fact remains that modern "science" is more political than it is scientific and has more to do with being anti-religious than it has to do with doing intellectually honest investigations...

There isn't any way it could have happened that way, JR. That's why it's a problem for you, not for me. I'm the one here who's saying that God can make things in whatever state He chooses to make them and that there isn't any necessity or even utility in insisting that God made things in a...

I read it. What about it? So you can read the book of Acts. What you're point?

YES! He is unable to answer your question - without contradicting his doctrine.

Welcome to my ignore list. I could have just put him on ignore after reading his very first post. He's a heretical lunatic with less than a thimble full of substance. Good riddance.

If you are willing to contradict yourself in one point, you're willing to do it at any point. ALL of them? Nonsense. Saying it doesn't make it so. Now who's using "fraudulent logic"? If you really do actually believe that those who disagree with your premise must adopt that very premise in...

Two stupid sentences in a row. The second sentence doesn't even make any sense at all and saying that you read it in God's word does NOT make it so, Old Hat. It doesn't. If you actually do think it does (which you almost certainly do not) then you are flatly stupid and should prepair yourself to...

For the sake of time, I'm boiling this down to just the following three points... The explanation I gave about light that we see today having traveled for 7500 years et al, IS God having stretched out the heavens! Just what is it that you think "stretching out the Heavens" could otherwise mean...

Either you or JR suggested that river rock (i.e. gravel) and sand didn't exist in Eden. That would, by definition require the alteration of the life cycle of several creatures. We see stars explode too! I'm not sure why I'm unable to get you to see the parallel that I'm drawing between God...

My point was based on the idea that God stretched out that light. I don't understand why you guys aren't understanding the point here. If God can create stars in a post supernova condition, why couldn't He also create a moon in a post meteor impacted state? Why do stars get to explode before...

The point wasn't about Sea Turtles per se. All turtles - all of them - bury their eggs into something that is not only very like one form or another of eroded rock but that has killed a human being at some point and even if that weren't the case, forget turtles, you don't believe that there...

Nearly identical is probably overstated. Substantially similar would do. Sea Turtles exist now, creation was finished at the end of day six and evolution is a myth. Therefore, Sea Turtles existence at the beginning. Why would you assume they weren't? Quite so! But without any evidence...

Who or what was this in response to? And, just as importantly, why is it that people show up here and think that posting in a different font and in a format that can barely be followed is going to be acceptable? Did you copy/paste this post or something? No one is going to be willing to even...

The same way I know that Adam and Eve didn't have to wait for seeds to germinate and grow into fruit bearing trees or wonder around in a barren landscape waiting for the vegetation to grow. Likewise, there is all kinds of wildlife that require river rock, gravel, sand, silt and every other kind...

You're contradicting yourself. Do you believe that Jesus was/is the Creator God? If so, how do you reject the idea that God is a Trinity? Matthew 3:16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God...

Saying it doesn't make it so.

I'm out of time so forgive the abreviated response.... I didn't merely "say so", I made an argument. An argument that you did not understand. People are killed by natural objects and processes every single day. That cannot be disputed. People were not killed by any of those objects or...