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So, I just read through most of this thread and I would have to say that I don't think that Open Theism is as irrelevant to the question of the inerrancy of scripture as RD was saying early on in the discussion. I agree that Open Theism is not defined by anyone's stance on the question of...

Well, sort of but not quite. Time is not the sequence of events, per se. Time is an abstraction, Derf. It is a concept. The concept isn't defined by the events themselves but by a comparison of some event or set of events to other events. When someone says, "In the year of our Lord, 2024...

Wow!

The point is that, whether that is true or not, it isn't relevant. Clocks are about comparing events. What sort of event it is makes no difference. But that isn't the reason WHY it makes a good clock. Indeed, if it were possible to make perpetual motion machines, they would totally make the...

I had not read this prior to writing my own response to the OP! I love it when we practically write stuff as though we share a brain. Did we have a great teacher or what?!

He is, for One (Three, actually). This is the central point of the Christian answer (which is the ONLY answer) to Euthephro's dilemma. You won't know what that is. You can look it up yourself or what I would recommend is that you read Bob Enyart's response to Zakath's presentation of...

I recall Bob talking about it more than once over the years. The concept of discussing time in that manner works quite well, so long as it is done consistently. The only problem with it is that pretty nearly the whole world thinks of it in the opposite terms and so whether Bob's way of thinking...

Thank you for conceding the point.

Do you really not know how to post a link? That makes no sense.

I call it as I see it. If you don't like it, change your behavior. I couldn't care less. And as a result, the forums are boring and next to no one posts there that doesn't agree with those who run the site. Under no circumstances would I permit the whining of a cry baby who is pretending to...

We are in agreement. I was just clarifying things. Clocks are regular occurring events that we use measure the duration and sequence of other events.

They aren't "measuring" it, per se, but they are examples of entropic systems. It isn't about the order but the energy state. The sand in the top has more potential energy than the sand at the bottom. The sand falls to the bottom and the potential energy is converted to kinetic energy, sound...

The word "month" is just the sound we make to give name to a particular cycle. It happens to be the time it takes for the Moon to go through all of its phases. Revelation, as well as the rest of the bible, was written by and for human beings that understand what period of time a month represents...

No, that is just a list of events that happen to be examples of things going from order to disorder and not all of them are even that (the oscillations measured by atomic clocks is literally atoms moving back and forth from a higher energy state to a lower one and back again). You could just as...

I know that this guy is banned but I don't care.... That's sort of the point. At what point was that, exactly? You waited until after your child was school aged to introduce her to Christianity? That doesn't even make any sense! This was a lie and I bet the first part of this sentence was...

You aren't going to start crying are you? For the record. If what Cygnus is claiming is actually true, I would have to say that I saw no reason why the post should be deleted, in and of itself. I would therefore suspect that Cygnus here has a history of showing up for the purpose of impugning...

Contradict yourself much? That is not what either of those things mean. That's because it is an idea. Again, this is because it is an idea. Precisely correct! Motion is ALWAYS a relative term. It has no meaning otherwise. Motion happens but there is no stuff out there called "motion". Motion...

Four things.... First, entropy, like time, is not an ontologically existent thing. It is an idea. There isn't any sort of physical stuff out there that is entropy. It's just a concept. Second, as Right Divider pointed out, time isn't measured that way. Indeed, if anything, it is entropy that...

True enough as stated, but it ignores the topic of the thread which has to do with the real effects that acceleration and velocity have on the duration of events relative to other events. Effects that have been experimentally verified to happen and that must be accounted for and dealt with for...

So, because I mentioned Bob's Summit Clock Experiment, I decided to go find the thread and read through a chunk of it. Wow! That is a cool thread! It's hard to believe that I posted THIS almost exactly 17 years ago.... Johnny, Look, I don't know how else to say this. Either the same number of...