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God expects those who love Him to know right from wrong, and to be prepared to defend their beliefs. God is JUST, He is RIGHTEOUS! Your position has Him and those who fear Him being UNJUST, UNRIGHTEOUS, and the ONLY REASON is because you'd rather hold to the belief that "lying is always evil"...

Then you need to explain why God did not punish the midwives, or Rahab, or Elisha (who was a prophet of God, no less), or any of the other people in the Bible who lied, whom God either did not punish and in some cases even rewarded them for doing so, or why God deceived the people of Ai, or sent...

Why do you assume Paul was the one to baptize them? Why do you assume water was involved? By "the twelve" are you referring to "The Twelve Apostles," namely, Peter, James, John, etc? Or do you recognize that there were twelve men whose names are unknown, but definitely not "The Twelve"? When...

What evil did they do so that good would come of it? IOW, quit begging the question. Or, lying isn't evil, and they didn't do anything wrong to begin with, which is a much simpler explanation.

Raising children in the fear and admonition of the Lord is the best way to keep your child from considering suicide.

So in order to combat the growing number of suicides, you're going to teach children about suicide? Talk about backwards... No, if education were the solution to this sort of problem, doctors wouldn't smoke. Condemning all forms of murder (including self-murder) is the only solution. Children...

We'll never be able to reduce the number of suicides per year until we stop teaching people that death is a solution to all of our problems. We live in a culture of death. Unwanted pregnacy? Have an abortion. Don't want to take care of your parents or put them in a nursing home? Euthanize...

Which makes you wrong. They did, in fact lie. Because your premise is false, the rest of your argument falls apart. But even if that wasn't the case, your argument would still be bad, because Scripture does not state that God rewarded them for "not killing the babies." It says that God...

Notice how they put "~7399" rather than "~7400." That's intentional. You see it with prices of store items. It's a method of pricing things that makes peopless braints think an item is cheaper than it actually is. If this were the price of an item, you'd see "$73" and ignore the rest, because...

If only.... "Do not do evil that good may come of it."

This change makes use of a redundant button, the "Home" button, since it, "Forums," and the TOL logo all take you to the same page. With this change, TOL has a proper "home" page, and "Forums" is now where the discussion happens. Good idea. I'll bump it up to the other Admins.

The "Forums" button and the TOL logo at the top of the screen both work to take you to the Forum "home."

I'm working on seeing if we can get a TOL button on the Kgov site, but in the meantime, using the back button should work.

Because TOL ownership was transferred to Bob Eyart, and has been passed to @Dominic Enyart. It only makes sense that "Home" is kgov.com, while the "forum" is TOL.

This passage is talking about Christians, not unbelievers. It is only relevant to those under the dispensation of grace. Rahab was not under the dispensation of grace, but under the dispensation of law. Sin is not imputed to Christians, because Christians are no longer under the law. It's...

Why are they all coming out of the woodwork now? Why not 5 years ago? Why not when it happened?

Rapid fire time... @glorydaz Told ya! So what? They still lied. It is true that the midwives lied to Pharaoh about why they didn't kill the male Hebrew children. That only applies to the Law of Moses. The law of Moses is a subset of "the Law." God seemed to put the life of everyone...

I didn't say you did. I said that IF it is necessary, even once, then it is not always evil. There is no such thing as "necessary evil." Paul said "Do not do evil that good may come of it." (paraphrasing) That means don't do evil! If it's necessary to do something in order to avoid evil, then...

That would be my fault. I moved the OP and a few other posts from that thread into this new one.