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The whole ship is not visible, and little by little the ship is visible as we zoom in on it. --Dave

If you want to do a thread on stars go ahead. As I keep saying this visible evidence is very very good. If you don't want to consider it then don't. --Dave

Did you view the video? --Dave

In this tread you look at the video evidence that I provide and evaluate it, then comment on it. That's the way this thread works. --Dave

As to motive. Satan has motive. He is behind the big lies. 1. There is no God contrary to what the Biblical says. 2. The earth evolve by natural means and was not created as the Bible says. 3. We know all this because the earth is a globe and not flat as the Bible says. Why do people accept...

My thread is not about the stars. I'ts about what experiments and evidence has been presented that shows the earth is flat and motionless. It is also about NASA faking the moon landings, not about Mars and not about stars. As this is all about visual evidence, not theoretical arguments per se...

The waves in the fore ground are in the way. The waves are much higher further out than those that hit the beach. --Dave

Three minute video showing a ship in the distance using a zoom lens showing there is no curve. The very bottom of the ship is covered by the waves. But you can see that the more you zoom in on it the more of it you see, which would not be possible if there was a curve. --Dave

It's because of distance not curvature. Sent from my iPhone using TOL

Funny how we can see a curved earth as a ship sails away in front of us but as we look to the left and the right which is a twice the distance we see a straight horizon-- no curve. Sent from my iPhone using TOL

Science tells me water is level. Sent from my iPhone using TOL

My eyes tell me the earth does not move and that it's Flat same as your eyes do. --Dave Sent from my iPhone using TOL

If you believe the Bible, Satan is out to deceive the whole world. If you would agree that the theory of evolution is a lie and that a timeless God is a lie, then it is possible that a globed earth spinning at the speed of 1000 mph and rotating around the sun at 67,000 miles per hour mph...

Samuel Birley Rowbotham Samuel Birley Rowbotham (1816–1884) was an English inventor and writer who wrote Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe under the pseudonym "Parallax". His work was based on his decade-long studies of the Earth and was originally published as a 16-page pamphlet (1849)...

I'm sorry that I have not been able to reply to all the posts. I work long hours but have more time on the week end. I'm not avoiding some of the great questions you have been asking, I have been working on ways to answer them. I really do thank all of you who have participated. And I do want...

An explanation that tells me I can see a 300 foot cliff behind a 600 foot wall of water contradicts itself. That the water from Dover to Calais is not level is non sense. --Dave

What can you see behind a 600 foot wall of water in front of you??? Idiots!!! --Dave

Not only would we not be able to see the cliffs from the beach, we would have to believe that the water is not level which is preposterous. And the cliffs would not be perpendicular to the view from Calais. --Dave

A six foot person standing on the beach at Calais would not see the cliffs. How high up would one have to be to see them? You live there, go and see for your self. --Dave

The cliffs of Dover 30 miles and 600 feet of curvature from Calais would not be visible. --Dave