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There exists three views of flat earth. 1. There are those who are absolutely convinced the earth is flat. 2. There are those who are absolutely convinced the earth is not flat. 3. There are those who are open but need more proof before they will change from the globe model and will continue...

These are three facts of reality that are self evident. You and I and everyone else in the world "see" and experience a motionless earth. You and I and everyone else do not see a curved earth when we fly commercially. We see only flat straight horizons that rise up before us in every...

No, I have not rejected any arguments, nor have I personally accepted flat earth. --Dave

I want to draw this thread to a close. I want to thank you all very much for all your participation.:cheers: What a rush, my mind is has been on steroids with this.:dizzy: Being the devil's advocate has been fun for me.:devil: I hope my reputation survives. :olinger: I want to create...

I agree, that's why it takes many examples in order to make a case. --Dave

The main problem is that those things viewed beyond the horizon line are perpendicular and not at an angle away from us when you see them. Also there is the horizon line itself and our viewing distance limitations that answer this question from a flat earth perspective. --Dave

You miss the point, being an expert does not make you right. --Dave

You can't derive a "true" distance from an assumed globe cosmology and then impose that calculation on a flat earth model. The argument is propositional, "if" this "then" that. "If" the earth is a globe and revolves around the sun and the moon revolves around the earth, "then" we can calculate...

That's a possibility but not a proof. --Dave

Good post and evidence for globe earth. --Dave

No! It's going more like this: A says "The earth is flat" B counters with "Are you nuts? Everyone knows the Earth is a globe". A gives some evidence B says "there is no evidence for flat earth." But I will sum things up starting next post. --Dave

I don't have to consider the other side, I have to present the counter point. That's what a debate is, point/argument vs counter point/argument. Here you are on a debate website arguing against the fundamentals of debate. --Dave

I have posted the evidence from flat earth sources that say other wise. Let every one make up there own minds about what is true. Once you say there is no debate you have ended your participation here. --Dave

This is about comparing two points of view, that's what a debate is. --Dave

You're arguing there is nothing here to debate. You made your point and you have nothing left to say accept to say you have all the "facts" and anything said to the contrary is not a "fact". This is a debate not a lecture. --Dave

I've already made that clear. If you don't like it, why are you here??? --Dave

There's more than one kind of satellite. It's a video, you see the balloon in the trees at the end of it. --Dave

Crashed Satellite Caught On Video and it was hanging on a balloon !! --Dave

Near Space Weather Balloon Launch With Gopro To 109 000 Feet! Here we see how the GoPro fish eye distorts the horizon. The horizon bends from concave, to flat, to convex, and back to flat, it's actual shape. This occurs also because the camera is moving. The video proves what is meant by a...