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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    There are at least two possible explanations. 1. It is spinning, just not at a rate you can detect in the video. 2. It is not spinning relative to whatever it is that took the video. David, this is stupidity. I'm not even going to dignify it with a direct response. Dave, you make claims and...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Translation: "All counter examples to my claims will be dismissed as fakes." How does one debate against an unfalsifiable position?
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Nope! http://gizmodo.com/5909215/this-is-the-definitive-photograph-of-planet-earth http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2883739/The-GREY-planet-True-colour-image-reveals-Earth-really-looks-like-space-without-filters-editing.html It took me just about 30 seconds to find those images...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave does not say anything like, "Jesus loves you. Oh, and by the way, the Earth is flat because the bible says so." He's merely preparing himself for a possible encounter with the issue. He's not one of those who likes to be caught having to say, "I have no idea what you're talking about." Clete
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    As I just mentioned to Knight, I would like to retract this whole post. It was an emotional reaction and I shouldn't have said it. I'm sorry Dave.
  6. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Yeah, me too. I no longer think he's just lying so I retract that accusation. He is, however, being very aggravating.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    You've gone now from debating to lying. I'm not putting up with it. Goodbye Dave. Thanks for wasting months of my time. Go and say these stupid things to unbelievers on the street and make us all look like slobbering morons.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Because the Earth's shadow is only so big. When the Moon is lined up with the Earth directly between the Moon and the Sun then the Sun no longer illuminates the Moon. We call this a Lunar eclipse. It happens on a very regular schedule. We can predict down to the second when eclipses are going to...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I just now took this picture. I shot this in my master bedroom closet with the light off. It's a very dark room. I shined a light across the closet and into the side attic so that the light wouldn't reflect off the walls of the closet and illuminate the back side of the sphere. The sphere is...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Yes, Dave, it is. It takes up less than 1% of the sky. And on the moon, there is no atmosphere to create a daytime sky like the blue one we have that spends light all over the place. It's the very definition of a near point source of light. I'm looking at a sphere right now on my desk. At...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Nope. No atmosphere on the moon and a near point source of light (neglecting Earth shine) creates stark shadows on any sphere. In all the internet, you couldn't find an actual photograph of a sphere being illuminated by a point source of light? You relied on computer animation and pencil...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    You're right about that! :up:
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I do not buy into space-time. Time is not a thing, it's an idea. It is a convention of language used to convey information about the duration and sequence of events. Likewise, I strongly suspect that space is also not a thing but an idea. Ideas are not warped by an object's mass. HOWEVER...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Newton's Universal Gravity equations are mathematical but the math came from hard science. That's the difference. Newton did not BEGIN with math but rather with careful observation of the real world. The data he collected yeilded the math. The math then is just a formal description of what...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    They're more than speculation but little more than mathematical constructs. I'm not even saying that they are wrong. Some important aspects of them are clearly correct and have proven very useful in the development of all kinds of technologies. But that doesn't make them hard science. In fact...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    As stated - No, I do not know that. Newton made no attempt to describe the nature of gravity, only how it works. Einstein is the one who made statements about what gravity is (i.e. what causes it). And in many ways, Einstein's work provides a more useful and accurate way of figuring out just...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave, I've listened to all and responded directly to most of the arguments that have been presented in support of the flat earth model, including arguments made on other sites that I haven't yet seen in any of the videos you've posted. It is not fair to treat me as if I'm just cavalierly...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    You're just simply wrong on this point, Dave. Newton didn't just pull the idea of universal gravitation out of a hat. What Newton did was to ask a question. Why do things fall to the ground? He then set about making detailed observations about just how things fall. The rate at which they...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    You'd be shocked to find out just how connected they all are. Calling major theories "faith-based" is likely overstating the matter. I'll grant you that but a great many major theories, or at least large portions of them, are not hard science and haven't been for decades. Space-time as an...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I hate to tell you that modern physics is not the hard science that your post makes it out to be. It's evolved into some weird hybrid of mathematics and thought experiments. String Theory, in particular, is entirely untestable. And I mean conceptually, fundamentally, untestable. It not only...
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