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  1. Clete

    Are you Going to Heaven?

    I really doesn't have anything to do with the point he's making. Paul tells us that we are saved unto good works but the point being made is that we ARE NOT saved BY them! If you do not understand the distinction then you cannot understand anything OZOS is saying.
  2. Clete

    Studies showing mask wearing has negative health affects.

    I didn't side step it, I intentionally ignored it because you are wanting to change the subject and I'm smarter than that.
  3. Clete

    Studies showing mask wearing has negative health affects.

    You seem intent on missing the point. That figures since you're not interested in having the government make public health policy decision based on actual science. The opening segment of last night's Greg Kelly program is the most reasonable position that I've heard anyone take on the subject...
  4. Clete

    How did His sheep get lost?

    I suppose that it could be used to reinforce it but it doesn't seem like it has to do so nor that it's necessary to be dogmatically apposed to the modern use of sheep as an analogy no matter the context or purpose.
  5. Clete

    How did His sheep get lost?

    Seems like the disagreement here is pretty nearly a totally semantic one. At bottom we are discussing an analogy. Analogies are always imperfect. They apply in certain contexts and not in others. There are certain ways in which people can rightly be called sheep and there are ways in which it...
  6. Clete

    Studies showing mask wearing has negative health affects.

    They already know the infection rates without masks. It's called the general population. That does NOT nullify the results and it is a blanket statement put at the top of any publication citing such studies in the last several months because people who are completely ignorant of how science...
  7. Clete

    Studies showing mask wearing has negative health affects.

    LIAR! You are a liar! What kind of stupid idiot fool are you? The links are RIGHT THERE!!!! Anyone in the entire world who reads either my post or the opening post can click on the link and read them for themselves! Something which you clearly don't have the brains enough to do! Not only...
  8. Clete

    Studies showing mask wearing has negative health affects.

    I read them! I haven't read them all yet but here's just a sampling of what you can expect if you go through the trouble of actually bothering to read and learn for yourself instead of excepting as truth the things that those who seek to rule over you say...
  9. Clete

    What is Jesus saying here?

    No, he's really not.
  10. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    I still have some of those in a drawer somewhere. It's hard to believe those were written decades ago.
  11. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    Saying it doesn't make it so, Eric. Wise move.
  12. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    Precisely! The kindest thing you could do for an evil person is to make sure they know that they are God's enemy and that they will eventually lose their battle against Him in a very permanent and unfriendly way. No one ever ask to be saved who didn't know they were lost. There is a very...
  13. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    I have a very difficult time believing you. It seems to me that you want to ask very nearly meaningless questions that make you sound pious and that you think are somehow "deep". I specifically stated that love and hate are not the mutually exclusive concepts that many people think they are...
  14. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    My statement, if not taken in the way I meant it, could be considered an overstatement. Yes, of course, Jesus (God) loved (loves) His neighbor as He loved (loves) Himself. The question then becomes what does that qualifier mean? Why, and in what way, does God love Himself? That is a question...
  15. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    What? No! God does not love each and every one of us as He loves Himself. That isn't even close to being biblical. There's a whole list of people God hates! And I'm not kidding! There's a lot of people that God truly despises! Of course, love and hate are not the mutually exclusive things...
  16. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    If so, its only because I've had good teachers. Responsibility? To whom? Would it have been unjust for God to kill Adam and Eve? I don't see how. The fact that God loved Adam and Eve and was able to see the benefit of saving the human race is what made the cost of doing so worth paying. God's...
  17. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    One thing that should be kept in mind here is that we don't really know that the test was "so innocuous" as you suggest or as the scant details we are given in Genesis might lead one to believe. In other words, there may have been a great deal more discussion between the Lord and Adam about this...
  18. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    How amazing a place would TOL be if even half the people here had this sort of attitude! Understanding that freedom of the will is a real thing and that people, including God, have real choices to make not only allows us to relate to God in a much more meaningful way but it just makes the whole...
  19. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    Who, besides Aristotle and Plato says that God knew those things in advance? Not the bible! He planned for them to be sure but KNEW in advance, definitely not.
  20. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    In a single sentence... Love is wisely acting in the best interest of others. Whether it is a simply act of kindness or the forfeiture of your physical life, it is the fact that the action was taken in the best interest of another person that makes it an act of love. However, I say "wisely"...
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