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  1. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    Yes, probably 4 - 6 but in some as long as 8 months. It is perhaps longer in a person is repeatedly exposed to the virus. Whether you get the immunity from the vaccine or from the actual virus isn't likely to matter because your immune system does give a rip where the invasion force came from...
  2. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    It is a lot like the flu except that it has a death rate as much as four times as high. Of course, the real death rate cannot really be known because the number both of cases and of death have been so completely screwed up but in early 2020 there wasn't anyone who thought the death rate was...
  3. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    It actually isn't a "drug" at all and "gene-altering" is an over statement. The MRNA instructs a particular type of immune cell to create the proteins that are found on the outside of the virus body. These are the proteins that the virus uses to gain access to the cells it infects but by...
  4. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    How many times do I have to repeat the fact that time is NOT the relevant factor! Even post infection immunity is TEMPORARY!!!! The relevant factor is doses given and efficacy rate vs side effects, the number for which could hardly be any better than they are! I mean you couldn't have...
  5. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    It may actually turn out to be one of the most effective vaccines that has ever been developed for any virus in the history of medical science. The Rabies vaccine probably has it beat, its pretty much 100% effective and the Flu vaccine is only 40-60% effective and for only one season! Note...
  6. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    Well, what can I tell you? They've done tests on various groups who have gotten the Pfizer vaccine and less than 1% of them aquire the disease after having been fully vaccinated. Less than 1% post vaccine infection rate sounds like better than 99% effective to me! The Centers for Disease...
  7. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    But the virus it protects you against isn't. If you haven't been exposed yet, you almost certainly will be eventually unless you plan on living the rest of your life in your own house.
  8. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    Stupidity There are good reasons to not get the vaccine. Nothing you've said in this entire thread is one of them aside from the single fact that you've had the disease and if you had it more than six months ago, even that isn't a good one.
  9. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    Says you. The published science says that less than 1% of people who have gotten the Pfizer vaccine become symptomatic after having been intentionally exposed to the virus. Now you're just making stuff up. The precipitous fall in both positive test rates and hospitalizations are directly...
  10. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    .003% of people die after getting the shot vs. 2% of people who get COVID19. Both of those numbers are high but they both come from the same government sources so what's good for the goose is good for the gander. One of those death rate numbers is 667 times bigger than the other. Clete
  11. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    While this is true, there is no evidence that the vaccine is any less effective and, in fact, there has been more than one study that shows less than 1% of those vaccinated aquire the disease after having been intentionally exposed to the virus and so it would be difficult to get much more...
  12. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    Thank you for making my point! Even if the vaccine has caused someone to die, we know that the statistic is .003% at the most which is a very very tiny percentage already!
  13. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    Yes, the number I gave were worst case. The fact that the numbers are inflated only boosts my point. You can't know that. I've had a hard time fining any data at all on post infection immunity. What I have found suggests (which means they don't know) that post infection immunity may only last 4...
  14. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    It isn't really the amount of time, it's the number of jumps. If a million people a day were using parachutes there's be thousands of people dying over a several month period of time. If the numbers held up, the number would be about one fifth that of the number you're all worked up about with...
  15. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    NO THERE IS NOT!!!!! That's the whole entire point! There are .003% of people who die shortly after getting the shot but they do not all die of the same thing which is why they DO NOT believe that it is linked to the shot. These people simply die OF SOMETHING shortly after having gotten the...
  16. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    Oh yes you did! There is no such thing as a parachute that "can be 100% relied upon to be safe". One person dies because of a failed parachute for every 175439 jumps. That's .57 deaths per 100,000 jumps or .00057%. Just about one fifth (19%) as often as people die shortly after getting a...
  17. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    Nobody would! That would be a .1% chance! That's a pretty small number but the COVID stat that you're all worked up about is a .003% chance! And that's of people dying of SOMETHING "shortly after" (that probably means within 2 weeks) of getting the COVID shot. Now that's is a completely...
  18. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    Of course! I had the "odds" thing stuck in my mind and got a bit carried along there. 3000 deaths in America per year would make the odds of dying of food born disease (i.e. food poisoning of some kind) at about 1 in 100,000 per year. So, not the right comparison but all the other ones stand...
  19. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    When I was a kid, I won a Rubic's Cube competision in my Junior High School. It must have been eighth grade which means it would have been 1983 or 1984. I forget exactly but I could solve one in well under 30 seconds, probably something like 15 seconds. Now, I can't solve one at all!
  20. Clete

    Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

    Because HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of doses have been administered and you're here talking about seven people who caught COVID after having been given the least effective and most problematic vaccine. Even if the J&J vaccine was the only one the number behind it would still support its safety and...
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